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Article 23512
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:22:48 GMT
Subject: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominations
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deadline for Hugo and 1953 Retro Hugo nominations is March 25. If
you were a member of Torcon or are a member of Noreascon, you can
nominate. http://www.noreascon.org
Heinlein's "For Us, the Living" is eligible for a Hugo.
In the Dramatic Presentation, short form, the three unaired Firefly
episodes are eligible as they were released on DVD in 2003. I wouldn't
have thought of it except I saw them on a recommendations list,
nominated all three, "Heart of Gold", "The Message", "Trash"--any of
the three Firefly episodes are better science fiction than any others
I've seen this year--far outpaces "Enterprise". Plus Buffy "Chosen",
though it's fantasy. "Return of the King" seems like a good bet in
Dramatic Presentation, long form, though one might argue it's also not
science fiction.
In the 1953 Retro Hugos, Heinlein's "If This Goes On" (Revolt in
2100), and "Starman Jones" are eligible for the novels (pretty strong
competition in that catagory--lots of great classics in 1953).
Heinlein's shorts "Project Nightmare" and "Skylift" are eligible. The
lists of shorts for 1953 struck me as having a lot of tremendous
writers but not their most notable works. The partially
Heinlein-written "Project Moonbase" is eligible for Dramatic
Presentation, short form (saw the DVD version recently, definite
Heinlein elements, some unintentionally funny though in 1953 probably
not as much).
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23513
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 22 Mar 2004 13:18:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominations
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Heinlein's "For Us, the Living" is eligible for a Hugo.
Be serious.
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Article 23514
From: JT
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:40:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominations
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 22 Mar 2004 13:18:32 GMT, Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
wrote:
>>Heinlein's "For Us, the Living" is eligible for a Hugo.
>
>Be serious.
Well, she didn't say it *deserved* a Hugo, Brian.
I don't know if there is any kind of historical/research category for
awards, but I think it would be a contender in that area (if there was
one) for the way it was brought to print and the value it brings to
looking at his entire body of work. ;)
JT
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Article 23515
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:28:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominations
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hmmm, should we try to nominate it for Best Related Book?
I may put it on my Novel ballot anyway, to see what happens.
WJaKe
"JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote in message
news:5l8v5050dkldqtdq8hat4kn040do0a3a7d@4ax.com...
> On 22 Mar 2004 13:18:32 GMT, Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
> wrote:
>
> >>Heinlein's "For Us, the Living" is eligible for a Hugo.
> >
> >Be serious.
>
> Well, she didn't say it *deserved* a Hugo, Brian.
>
> I don't know if there is any kind of historical/research category for
> awards, but I think it would be a contender in that area (if there was
> one) for the way it was brought to print and the value it brings to
> looking at his entire body of work. ;)
>
> JT
>
>
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Article 23516
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:40:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominations
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>I may put it on my Novel ballot anyway, to see what happens.
I'd like to see it make the nominations ballot for historical,
sentimental, or novelties' sake. Be the first time I get to vote for
the Hugos in a year a new Heinlein was up.
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23517
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 23 Mar 2004 21:20:08 GMT
Subject: Global Warming and Algae Blooms
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Remember when we talked about global warming, and it was suggested that
it was a non-issue because all that was needed was to seed the ocean with
iron to produce algae blooms that would absorb the excess CO2? I didn't
comment at the time, though I found it to be more than a little premature,
given how little we knew about the phenomenon or the environment which we
would be changing.
Now, we know more. Looks like it might not be a solution, after all.
http://www.spacedaily.com/2004/040319014625.tbceucpi.html
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23518
From: JT
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:01:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Global Warming and Algae Blooms
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 23 Mar 2004 21:20:08 GMT, filksinger@earthling.net wrote:
>Remember when we talked about global warming, and it was suggested that
>it was a non-issue because all that was needed was to seed the ocean with
>iron to produce algae blooms that would absorb the excess CO2? I didn't
>comment at the time, though I found it to be more than a little premature,
>given how little we knew about the phenomenon or the environment which we
>would be changing.
>
>Now, we know more. Looks like it might not be a solution, after all.
>
>http://www.spacedaily.com/2004/040319014625.tbceucpi.html
>
>Filksinger
>AKA David Nasset, Sr.
>Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
Thanks for the followup, Filk. I also found Neil Armstrong's remarks
about continuing space development interesting, if only that to have
Neil Armstrong comment about anything is an event!
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/lunar-04m.html
JT
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Article 23519
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:40:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Global Warming and Algae Blooms
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: It has been a long time since "one small step" How old is
Neil these days? Most of the early astronauts were not teen-agers
when they pioneered space travel for all mankind.
Buzz Aldrin has been active within the National Space Society, but
I haven't heard much from the first man to set foot on the moon.
Ed J
>Neil Armstrong comment about anything is an event!
>http://www.spacedaily.com/news/lunar-04m.html
>
>JT
>
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Article 23520
From: cdozo
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:50:48 -0600
Subject: Intel to Change Chip Numbering System
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
For all the computer geeks in our midst. "Intel Corp. has a new
numbering system for its Pentium and Celeron microprocessors to
highlight features beyond speed."
For more info, go to
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/040325/numbering_chips_1.html
Carol
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Article 23521
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 25 Mar 2004 16:58:42 GMT
Subject: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Anybody seen the video for sale at http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=215>
It's a religious thing, but of some interest here as the story's antagonist
is a physics professor, "Dr Heinlein," who insists that the protagonist
contradict his creationist beliefs to write a paper on evolution. Professor
Heinlein claims that, "Faith is an obstacle, an enemy to clear scientific
thinking?"
Heinlein's apparently the bad guy here.
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Article 23522
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:57:44 GMT
Subject: Firefly Meets the Talaban
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I just read this off a Firefly website and thought it was
hilarious--a transcript of a mission by some of our troops who are
also, apparently, dedicated Firefly fans:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=787
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23523
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:07:05 -0800
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <40630fc2.0@news.sff.net>,
Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
> Anybody seen the video for sale at
> http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=215>
>
> It's a religious thing, but of some interest here as the story's antagonist
> is a physics professor, "Dr Heinlein," who insists that the protagonist
> contradict his creationist beliefs to write a paper on evolution. Professor
> Heinlein claims that, "Faith is an obstacle, an enemy to clear scientific
> thinking?"
>
> Heinlein's apparently the bad guy here.
Think they'd web-publish the review some of us would write of it, Brian,
if I commissioned it and bought a copy for the writer to view?
You'd have to weave in all four of the statements below:
"Men rarely (if ever) manage to draw up a god superior to themselves.
Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child."
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent -- it says so right
here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing in all three
of these divine atttributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain
for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills."
"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is
that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universe,
wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their
prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet
this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all
the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in
all history."
"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion had any
rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
stadn up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do
have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
considerable pleasure fiddling with it."
Bonus points for getting a fifth in -- that one defining "shaman."
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23524
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 20:48:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David: Thank you for those quote from Heinlein. That is the
Heinlein who had the most positive influence on my life. The quote
about an obstacle to clear thinking, from the fictitious Dr.
Heinlein would seem to make him the good guy IMHO.
Ed J
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:07:05 -0800, "David M. Silver"
<ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <40630fc2.0@news.sff.net>,
> Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
>
>> Anybody seen the video for sale at
>> http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=215>
>>
>> It's a religious thing, but of some interest here as the story's antagonist
>> is a physics professor, "Dr Heinlein," who insists that the protagonist
>> contradict his creationist beliefs to write a paper on evolution. Professor
>> Heinlein claims that, "Faith is an obstacle, an enemy to clear scientific
>> thinking?"
>>
>> Heinlein's apparently the bad guy here.
>
>Think they'd web-publish the review some of us would write of it, Brian,
>if I commissioned it and bought a copy for the writer to view?
>
>You'd have to weave in all four of the statements below:
>
>"Men rarely (if ever) manage to draw up a god superior to themselves.
>Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child."
>
>"God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent -- it says so right
>here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing in all three
>of these divine atttributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain
>for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills."
>
>"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is
>that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universe,
>wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their
>prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet
>this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all
>the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in
>all history."
>
>"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion had any
>rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
>stadn up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do
>have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
>considerable pleasure fiddling with it."
>
>Bonus points for getting a fifth in -- that one defining "shaman."
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Article 23525
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 23:31:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed: Think how much fun it would be to try to Trojan Horse those quotes
into a review to get posted on that website, though ... impractical
dream that it is. ;-)
DMS
In article <52n960dc0chc0i7kjt2pdmne3mm6tbn2f7@4ax.com>,
Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
> David: Thank you for those quote from Heinlein. That is the
> Heinlein who had the most positive influence on my life. The quote
> about an obstacle to clear thinking, from the fictitious Dr.
> Heinlein would seem to make him the good guy IMHO.
>
> Ed J
>
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:07:05 -0800, "David M. Silver"
> <ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <40630fc2.0@news.sff.net>,
> > Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody seen the video for sale at
> >> http://www.christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=215>
> >>
> >> It's a religious thing, but of some interest here as the story's
> >> antagonist
> >> is a physics professor, "Dr Heinlein," who insists that the protagonist
> >> contradict his creationist beliefs to write a paper on evolution.
> >> Professor
> >> Heinlein claims that, "Faith is an obstacle, an enemy to clear scientific
> >> thinking?"
> >>
> >> Heinlein's apparently the bad guy here.
> >
> >Think they'd web-publish the review some of us would write of it, Brian,
> >if I commissioned it and bought a copy for the writer to view?
> >
> >You'd have to weave in all four of the statements below:
> >
> >"Men rarely (if ever) manage to draw up a god superior to themselves.
> >Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child."
> >
> >"God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent -- it says so right
> >here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing in all three
> >of these divine atttributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain
> >for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills."
> >
> >"The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is
> >that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universe,
> >wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their
> >prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet
> >this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all
> >the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in
> >all history."
> >
> >"History does not record anywhere at any time a religion had any
> >rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to
> >stadn up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do
> >have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive
> >considerable pleasure fiddling with it."
> >
> >Bonus points for getting a fifth in -- that one defining "shaman."
>
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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