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Article 19418
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:59:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Heavy Heart
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My sincere condolences on your loss.
Filksinger
"dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org> wrote in message news:3b5ec254.0@news.sff.net...
> This morning Joe and I buried our cat of 11+ years, Mew. He went out
> to the car to go to work, and found her body in the driveway, where it
> appeared that she went to sleep and did not wake up. She was my first
cat,
> and as close to "our child" as we will ever have. (Meaning absolutely no
> disrespect to those who have, or have lost, children.)
> "Whatever God there be, please take care of this fine person. She
> always did her best. Amen." Mew was smarter, more polite, and better
> company than many two-feets I know. Even her vet commented on how sweet
she
> was. Mew used to come to a room where one of us was to take her naps. If
> she woke up and could not find us, she started searching, sometimes
loudly.
> (She was part Siamese.) She loved children, and she loved attention. It
> pleased her to hear us tell her how smart and pretty she was. Last night
> she sat on the floor by my feet to be close while Joe and I talked--she
> seemed to like to listen to the sound of our voices. Already, I miss her
> terribly.
> -Dee
>
>
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Article 19419
From: dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:26:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Heavy Heart
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3b5efb09.0@news.sff.net...
> My sincere condolences on your loss.
Thanks, Filk. It helps.
--Dee
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Article 19420
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:40:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Heavy Heart
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Please accept my condolences also
Fader
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Article 19421
From: Dean White" <WhiteD@telepath.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:00:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Heavy Heart
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My condolences too, I know what it's like to loose a pet you love.
--
Dean White
www.DeanWhite.net
"dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org> wrote in message news:3b5ec254.0@news.sff.net...
> This morning Joe and I buried our cat of 11+ years, Mew. He went
out
> to the car to go to work, and found her body in the driveway, where it
> appeared that she went to sleep and did not wake up. She was my first
cat,
> and as close to "our child" as we will ever have. (Meaning absolutely
no
> disrespect to those who have, or have lost, children.)
> "Whatever God there be, please take care of this fine person. She
> always did her best. Amen." Mew was smarter, more polite, and better
> company than many two-feets I know. Even her vet commented on how sweet
she
> was. Mew used to come to a room where one of us was to take her naps.
If
> she woke up and could not find us, she started searching, sometimes
loudly.
> (She was part Siamese.) She loved children, and she loved attention.
It
> pleased her to hear us tell her how smart and pretty she was. Last
night
> she sat on the floor by my feet to be close while Joe and I talked--she
> seemed to like to listen to the sound of our voices. Already, I miss
her
> terribly.
> -Dee
>
>
>
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Article 19422
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:38:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Another stupid tech question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks Guys.
I do not have a nVIDIA card so C|Net got another email. (I knew I didn't
have a Logitech mouse.)
I try to keep my drivers up-to-date because certain technogeek types have
said in the past that out-of-date drivers are one of the leading causes of
web surfing frustration. When I'm in mid-flare my frustration level is
lower than that of a two year-old child with ADHD who needs a nap.
Now I need to figure out which of three types of DIMMs<?> I need to buy to
give this thing enough memory to run two programs and play music at the same
time. (my 486/66 with 24Mb RAM would)
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
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Article 19423
From: Sarah A. Hoyt" <sarah-hoyt@sff.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:52:47 -0600
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi,
I will be lurking around, rarely posting. This topic touches too close to home,
though. Five years ago, while in the hospital with some weird form of pneumonia
that would not give way, I actually encountered doctors who tried to convince me
I should try some very risk diagnostic procedures because, "Isn't it better to
die, if it comes to that, than to lie in this bed, being no use at all to your
husband and children?"
At any rate their treatment of me held barely concealed contempt founded in the
fact that (in their eyes, not really -- I'm actually a writer) I was a "stay at
home" mom with a heavy foreign accent and semi-literate (That might be true. My
degree is in Literature, which never counted as true education anywhere<g>.)
All five of my doctors (treatment by comittee) took every opportunity (i.e. when
my husband was away from my bedside to go check on our kids) to convince me that
I was worthless and that my only hope of salvation rested in their misguided
plan.
I don't want anyone else -- ever -- to be able to determine whether my life is
worth living. And I don't want doctors to have a vested interest in convincing
me that it isn't, while I'm weak, on heavy medication and unable to think
rationally.
Just MHO. I'll go back to lurking.
Sarah
PS - I'm fine now :-) Well, still insane -- kids and cats see to that -- but
fine.
"William G. Jennings" wrote:
> "Gordon G. Sollars" <gsollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.15c67b56a2901ced98977d@news.sff.net...
> > In article <3b5c85f7.0@news.sff.net>, Lorrita Morgan writes...
> > > An article by Wesley J. Smith was posted in another newsgroup that I
> follow.
> > > The following link is to the most reputable (for this group<eg>) article
> I
> > > could find. The whole mess disturbs me.
> > > http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment103100c.shtml
> >
> > This is another consequence of the politicization of health care. The
> > doctor is no longer an agent representing the patient's interest, but an
> > agent for keeping "society's" costs under control. Of course, we will
> > all be much better off when rationing by greedy HMOs is replaced by
> > rationing by our benevolent government.
> >
> > --
> > Gordon Sollars
> > gsollars@pobox.com
> >
>
> Aren't we all eagerly awaiting the day when the Ted Kennedys and Gary
> Condits of our country get to formulate the rules that decide who lives and
> who dies? They've shown so much concern for the welfare of others.
>
> Will in Texas
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Article 19424
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:00:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Another stupid tech question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3b60aa35.0@news.sff.net...
> Thanks Guys.
>
> I do not have a nVIDIA card so C|Net got another email. (I knew I didn't
> have a Logitech mouse.)
>
> I try to keep my drivers up-to-date because certain technogeek types have
> said in the past that out-of-date drivers are one of the leading causes of
> web surfing frustration. When I'm in mid-flare my frustration level is
> lower than that of a two year-old child with ADHD who needs a nap.
>
> Now I need to figure out which of three types of DIMMs<?> I need to buy to
> give this thing enough memory to run two programs and play music at the
same
> time. (my 486/66 with 24Mb RAM would)
While you may want to verify this with a shop, unless your machine is very
new and using expensive memory (unlikely), PC-133 should work. As a rule,
faster RAM will work with slower machines.
But, you will probably want to double-check that. They keep changing rules
on me, and I don't have time to verify that this is still the same as it was
the last time I checked.
Filksinger
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Article 19425
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:52:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi Sarah.
I posted the link in part because I have a chronic, debilitating medical
condition. I have had similar encounters with employees of the Department
of Veterans Affairs "Medical" Division. I expect it from DVA.
When I read about it happening to people who could and would pay for their
care in private hospitals. I was a bit miffed.
Welcome to group. You will probably find enough discussion that will keep
you decloaked more than you think right now.
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
"Sarah A. Hoyt" <sarah-hoyt@sff.net> wrote in message
news:3B60AD4F.5E16DC27@sff.net...
> Hi,
>
> I will be lurking around, rarely posting. This topic touches too close to
home,
> though. Five years ago, while in the hospital with some weird form of
pneumonia
> that would not give way, I actually encountered doctors who tried to
convince me
> I should try some very risk diagnostic procedures because, "Isn't it
better to
> die, if it comes to that, than to lie in this bed, being no use at all to
your
> husband and children?"
>
> At any rate their treatment of me held barely concealed contempt founded
in the
> fact that (in their eyes, not really -- I'm actually a writer) I was a
"stay at
> home" mom with a heavy foreign accent and semi-literate (That might be
true. My
> degree is in Literature, which never counted as true education
anywhere<g>.)
> All five of my doctors (treatment by comittee) took every opportunity
(i.e. when
> my husband was away from my bedside to go check on our kids) to convince
me that
> I was worthless and that my only hope of salvation rested in their
misguided
> plan.
>
> I don't want anyone else -- ever -- to be able to determine whether my
life is
> worth living. And I don't want doctors to have a vested interest in
convincing
> me that it isn't, while I'm weak, on heavy medication and unable to think
> rationally.
>
> Just MHO. I'll go back to lurking.
>
> Sarah
>
> PS - I'm fine now :-) Well, still insane -- kids and cats see to that --
but
> fine.
>
> "William G. Jennings" wrote:
>
> > "Gordon G. Sollars" <gsollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.15c67b56a2901ced98977d@news.sff.net...
> > > In article <3b5c85f7.0@news.sff.net>, Lorrita Morgan writes...
> > > > An article by Wesley J. Smith was posted in another newsgroup that I
> > follow.
> > > > The following link is to the most reputable (for this group<eg>)
article
> > I
> > > > could find. The whole mess disturbs me.
> > > > http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment103100c.shtml
> > >
> > > This is another consequence of the politicization of health care. The
> > > doctor is no longer an agent representing the patient's interest, but
an
> > > agent for keeping "society's" costs under control. Of course, we will
> > > all be much better off when rationing by greedy HMOs is replaced by
> > > rationing by our benevolent government.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gordon Sollars
> > > gsollars@pobox.com
> > >
> >
> > Aren't we all eagerly awaiting the day when the Ted Kennedys and Gary
> > Condits of our country get to formulate the rules that decide who lives
and
> > who dies? They've shown so much concern for the welfare of others.
> >
> > Will in Texas
>
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Article 19426
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:54:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Another stupid tech question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks, Filksinger. I think that's one of the varieties listed.
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3b60af3c.0@news.sff.net...
> While you may want to verify this with a shop, unless your machine is very
> new and using expensive memory (unlikely), PC-133 should work. As a rule,
> faster RAM will work with slower machines.
>
> But, you will probably want to double-check that. They keep changing rules
> on me, and I don't have time to verify that this is still the same as it
was
> the last time I checked.
>
> Filksinger
>
>
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Article 19427
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:47:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Heavy Heart
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
So sorry to hear of the loss of your loved one, dee.
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Article 19428
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 16:19:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:52:47 -0600, "Sarah A. Hoyt"
<sarah-hoyt@sff.net> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I will be lurking around, rarely posting.
Hi and Welcome Sarah! I checked out your website...congratulations on
your upcoming book--it sounds interesting, and the fact that you've
already sold two more to Ace is a good sign.
I hope that you find the time to post occasionally, as the more
post, the more interesting it gets here.
I haven't posted much myself lately. I tried to get to the
nationalreview website that started this thread but there's internet
funkiness going on right now. If I can get to read the article I will
try and post an opinion later.
JT
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Article 19429
From: William B. Dennis 2nd" <dwilliam16@home.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:46:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3b62e4e2.634268@news.sff.net...
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:52:47 -0600, "Sarah A. Hoyt"
> <sarah-hoyt@sff.net> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I will be lurking around, rarely posting.
>
> Hi and Welcome Sarah! I checked out your website...congratulations on
> your upcoming book--it sounds interesting, and the fact that you've
> already sold two more to Ace is a good sign.
>
> I hope that you find the time to post occasionally, as the more
> post, the more interesting it gets here.
>
> I haven't posted much myself lately. I tried to get to the
> nationalreview website that started this thread but there's internet
> funkiness going on right now. If I can get to read the article I will
> try and post an opinion later.
>
Similar funkiness is going on at the news:alt.fan.heinlein group I frequent.
Someone in alt.recovery.na posted an article briefly alluding to a scene in
Friday, crossposted it to a.f.h. Some of them actually engaged in
conversation. I don't mind having a disagreement with someone about RAH, but
before long, trolls with vulgar language started to come in. Soon, there
were hard feelings and someone started spoofing -- posting fake messages
using other people's handles. I got fooled a couple of times, but it is not
a fun place to be. I try to block the offenders, but they come back using
different addresses.
Some people shouldn't be allowed to use computers.
--
William B. Dennis 2nd
http://billscontent.tripod.com and
http://heinlein-libertarian.tripod.com
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Article 19430
From: Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@home.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 17:13:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William B. Dennis 2nd" wrote:
>
>
> Similar funkiness is going on at the news:alt.fan.heinlein group I frequent.
Yes; anyone from here who reads afh may get a bit shocked at some of the
messages from me and Jim Gifford; they are spoofed using a very close but not
quite match of our addresses.
I haven't turned into a foul mouthed slut overnight, honest <rueful grin>
Jane
--
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
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Article 19431
From: William B. Dennis 2nd" <dwilliam16@home.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 18:00:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Jane Davitt" <jdavitt01@home.com> wrote in message
news:3B632B02.C330E79E@home.com...
> "William B. Dennis 2nd" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Similar funkiness is going on at the news:alt.fan.heinlein group I
frequent.
>
> Yes; anyone from here who reads afh may get a bit shocked at some of the
> messages from me and Jim Gifford; they are spoofed using a very close but
not
> quite match of our addresses.
> I haven't turned into a foul mouthed slut overnight, honest <rueful grin>
Damn right. It took a few weeks, at the very least.
:-) Jane, you have to stop feeding people straight lines like that.
--
William B. Dennis 2nd
http://billscontent.tripod.com and
http://heinlein-libertarian.tripod.com
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Article 19432
From: Ed Johnson <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com >
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:28:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Another stupid tech question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
`rita: Shop around before you buy. What I bought for $28 per 128MB
DIMM, another fellow got for $20! I think that one DIMM of that
size should about max out the capabilities of your current machine.
Ed J
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:54:55 -0700, "Lorrita Morgan"
<lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Thanks, Filksinger. I think that's one of the varieties listed.
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Article 19433
From: dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:28:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Jane Davitt" <jdavitt01@home.com> wrote in message
news:3B632B02.C330E79E@home.com...
> > Similar funkiness is going on at the news:alt.fan.heinlein group I
frequent.
>
> Yes; anyone from here who reads afh may get a bit shocked at some of the
> messages from me and Jim Gifford; they are spoofed. . . .
Jane--
There was no doubt in my mind that those posts were NOT you, long before
you called attention to the spoofing. I think with the first one or two, I
may have been shocked and puzzled--"This can't be Jane, can it? Well,
everyone has their limits of patience. Nah, this _really_ can't be Jane."
As it continued to decline, I was absolutely certain that it was not you. I
have avaided any comment on the matter, because of my firm belief that the
_only_ solution to that sort of thing is to give absolutely no feedback to
the garbage-dumpers.
I hate what is happening right now in afh. If there is a silver lining,
maybe it will be a return of activity over here. I like afh, and have met
some great new friends, but this is still "home." (And I miss a lot of old
voices over here, too.)
Anyhow, Jane, please be assured that my lake of comment on afh is not
lack of appreciation for your gentle strength. I have "bit my tongue" a
number of times, as the desire to speak up warred with my belief that utter
silence is the best response. Glad you showed up over here so I could say
so.
--Dee2
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Article 19434
From: dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 21:29:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William B. Dennis 2nd" <dwilliam16@home.com> wrote in message
news:3b63441b.0@news.sff.net...
> :-) Jane, you have to stop feeding people straight lines like that.
A straight line is a terrible thing to waste.
--Dee2
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Article 19435
From: Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@home.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:44:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William B. Dennis 2nd" wrote:
> "Jane Davitt" <jdavitt01@home.com> wrote in message
>
> > I haven't turned into a foul mouthed slut overnight, honest <rueful grin>
>
> Damn right. It took a few weeks, at the very least.
>
> :-) Jane, you have to stop feeding people straight lines like that.
>
> --
>
<grin> It is one of my most endearing habits according to some.Sometimes I do
it on purpose...sometimes not.
Jane
--
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
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Article 19436
From: Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@home.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:51:55 -0400
Subject: Man Who Travelled query was Re: Futile Care or Euthanasia?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
dee wrote:
>
> Anyhow, Jane, please be assured that my lake of comment on afh is not
> lack of appreciation for your gentle strength. I have "bit my tongue" a
> number of times, as the desire to speak up warred with my belief that utter
> silence is the best response. Glad you showed up over here so I could say
> so.
>
> --Dee2
Thanks Dee. This group seems like a haven of peace compared to afh at the
moment....and I have stopped talking to the cross posters too. Futile.
There was one interesting post recently though that stood out from the garbage;
someone asked about the Priests of Pallas who get mentioned in The Man Who
Traveled In Elephants. I did a search and found some photographs of their float
in a Kansas City parade. Probably Heinlein watched them as a youngster. They
seem to be a Masonic type group.
It's amazing how often you can read a story and think you know it then a query
like that comes up and you realize that whole bits of it didn't register.
Jane
--
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
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Article 19437
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:25:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Heavy Heart
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Dee--
You have my deepest sympathies. I've been there and done that
pretty recently -- I had to bury my cat (Dora -- named after the RAH
character) of 13+ years a few weeks ago. She was an outdoor cat for
years who had decided that being an indoor cat was fine in her advancing
years.
May they all rest in peace.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
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Article 19438
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:35:07 -0500
Subject: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Help--
I've been trying to install a digital camera setup (sony) on my
computer through a USB port. The computer (an HP with a 733 MHz Pentium
3 processor) running Windows 98 and has two USB ports on the front panel
and another two on the rear. It also has a network controller that I
don't use. I run the CD ROM and it informs me that the "installSheild
Wizard has successfully installed the USB Driver". I plug the camera
in, and it displays "PC mode".
To quote from the manual:
"PC Mode" appears on the screen of your camcorder. (Which it does.)
Your computer recognizes the camcorder, and the windows add hardware
wizard starts.
It does not.
There is no indication on the computer that the USB ports have seen
anything. The "Add hardware" function cannot find it. Other than a
printer, this is the first hardware I have tried to add to this machine.
I have no other USB devices on the machine.
Information on "plug-and-play" and add hardware and any other help
would be appreciated.
Thank you.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
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Article 19439
From: Ed Johnson <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com >
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:22:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charlie: Is your Windows 98 the 'second edition' version?
I'm not sure, but I think that it might make a difference in USB
devices. I have installed a USB printer at work and I had to rely
on the installation CD. I'm not sure if Win98's plug and play can
'see' USB devices before the appropriate driver is installed.
I'd ask Filksinger if he has had any experience in installing usb
devices.
Ed J
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:35:07 -0500, Charles Graft
<chasgraft@aol.com> wrote:
>Help--
> I've been trying to install a digital camera setup (sony) on my
>computer through a USB port. The computer (an HP with a 733 MHz Pentium
>3 processor) running Windows 98 and has two USB ports on the front panel
>and another two on the rear. It also has a network controller that I
>don't use. I run the CD ROM and it informs me that the "installSheild
>Wizard has successfully installed the USB Driver". I plug the camera
>in, and it displays "PC mode".
>
> To quote from the manual:
>
>"PC Mode" appears on the screen of your camcorder. (Which it does.)
>Your computer recognizes the camcorder, and the windows add hardware
>wizard starts.
>
> It does not.
>
> There is no indication on the computer that the USB ports have seen
>anything. The "Add hardware" function cannot find it. Other than a
>printer, this is the first hardware I have tried to add to this machine.
>
> I have no other USB devices on the machine.
>
> Information on "plug-and-play" and add hardware and any other help
>would be appreciated.
>
>Thank you.
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Article 19440
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 06:32:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 21:22:00 -0400, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@home.spamthis.com > wrote:
I find that many times with 'plugnpray' the detection needs to take
place from a completely cold boot. (i.e. from power off to on). Try
booting with the device disconnected, then powering off, connecting
the device, and powering on.
Check Device Manager. (Right click on My Computer and do the Device
Manager tab). If the USB port is working, you'll usually see an
"unknown device" somewhere with a yellow exclamation point. Then you
just have to 'update driver' to get things in synch.
I have a digital camera and a video camera attached to the PC and
didn't have problems with either. Under Windows 2000 I *did*, but I
recently 'reverted' to Win98 SE due to game incompatibilities.
(Christine's copy of "The Sims" wasn't supported under 2000 <VBG>.)
Good luck. Filk will probably have better directions/ideas, but heck,
I'm here now. ;)
JT
>Charlie: Is your Windows 98 the 'second edition' version?
>I'm not sure, but I think that it might make a difference in USB
>devices. I have installed a USB printer at work and I had to rely
>on the installation CD. I'm not sure if Win98's plug and play can
>'see' USB devices before the appropriate driver is installed.
>I'd ask Filksinger if he has had any experience in installing usb
>devices.
>
>Ed J
>
>On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:35:07 -0500, Charles Graft
><chasgraft@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>Help--
>> I've been trying to install a digital camera setup (sony) on my
>>computer through a USB port. The computer (an HP with a 733 MHz Pentium
>>3 processor) running Windows 98 and has two USB ports on the front panel
>>and another two on the rear. It also has a network controller that I
>>don't use. I run the CD ROM and it informs me that the "installSheild
>>Wizard has successfully installed the USB Driver". I plug the camera
>>in, and it displays "PC mode".
>>
>> To quote from the manual:
>>
>>"PC Mode" appears on the screen of your camcorder. (Which it does.)
>>Your computer recognizes the camcorder, and the windows add hardware
>>wizard starts.
>>
>> It does not.
>>
>> There is no indication on the computer that the USB ports have seen
>>anything. The "Add hardware" function cannot find it. Other than a
>>printer, this is the first hardware I have tried to add to this machine.
>>
>> I have no other USB devices on the machine.
>>
>> Information on "plug-and-play" and add hardware and any other help
>>would be appreciated.
>>
>>Thank you.
>
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Article 19441
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:43:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed --
Yes, it is second edition. The build is 4.10.2222A.
Ed Johnson wrote:
> Charlie: Is your Windows 98 the 'second edition' version?
> I'm not sure, but I think that it might make a difference in USB
> devices. I have installed a USB printer at work and I had to rely
> on the installation CD. I'm not sure if Win98's plug and play can
> 'see' USB devices before the appropriate driver is installed.
> I'd ask Filksinger if he has had any experience in installing usb
> devices.
>
> Ed J
JT --
I booted the thing six ways to Monday yesterday but I will try again
after I send this message. I did not find an explanation point anywhere; at
one point yesterday I was working with a question mark labeled "other
devices" without any information shed. As soon as I send this, I will try
another reboot sequence.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
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Article 19442
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:54:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT --
As expected, it went nowhere.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
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Article 19443
From: William B. Dennis 2nd" <dwilliam16@home.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:58:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
You may have to take that drastic last step and actually call Sony tech
support.
I suggest you take a day off work and eat your meals in advance.
I used to work tech support, so I know.
"Charles Graft" <chasgraft@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3B652EE9.B2208514@aol.com...
> JT --
>
> As expected, it went nowhere.
>
> --
> <<Big Charlie>>
>
> Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
>
>
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Article 19444
From: SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 22:36:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Help!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In case I missed it... did you say you had installed software from a CD-ROM
that came with the _camera_? Usually two drivers are needed: the USB support
(may be taken from the Windows 98 installation files) and software support for
the specific device (e.g., TWAIN or other device communication support for the
camera).
If not, you might try installing the software (device support) for the camera
which should be part of the software included with the camera (unfortunately,
they don't always make it apparent which of many pieces they may supply
actually includes the camera drivers; hopefully you can divine it). Do this
installation with the camera disconnected. Then delete the "unknown device"
from the Device Manager display. Shut down, connect the camera, make sure the
camera is powered up and set to communicate, and reboot. If the camera device
driver is there, it should detect the camera and install it. If not, try using
"Add new hardware" in the Control Panel to manually initiate the scan.
In most cases, this should work.
If you did install the software that came with the camera, but did it after
the system rebooted with the camera plugged in, try deleting the "Unknown
device" (with the camera disconnected), then shut down, plug in the camera,
and reboot. The problem may be that the system decided the camera was an
"unknown device:" and so is not bothering to scan for a new device.
(You shouldn't have to shut down to plug and unplug the camera; it should work
just to plug it in and power it up after the system has restarted with the
software installed and the "unknown device" blockage removed.)
In article <3B652C28.94E7CC74@aol.com>, Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
wrote:
>Ed --
>
> Yes, it is second edition. The build is 4.10.2222A.
>
>
>Ed Johnson wrote:
>
>> Charlie: Is your Windows 98 the 'second edition' version?
>> I'm not sure, but I think that it might make a difference in USB
>> devices. I have installed a USB printer at work and I had to rely
>> on the installation CD. I'm not sure if Win98's plug and play can
>> 'see' USB devices before the appropriate driver is installed.
>> I'd ask Filksinger if he has had any experience in installing usb
>> devices.
>>
>> Ed J
>
>JT --
> I booted the thing six ways to Monday yesterday but I will try again
>after I send this message. I did not find an explanation point anywhere; at
>one point yesterday I was working with a question mark labeled "other
>devices" without any information shed. As soon as I send this, I will try
>another reboot sequence.
>
>--
><<Big Charlie>>
>
>Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
>
>
--
Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
"It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
-- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 19445
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:06:55 -0700
Subject: Poul Anderson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
This is from Jerry Pournelle's daily newsletter at
http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/currentview.html#Tuesday
************
I just spent some time on the telephone with Greg Bear,
Poul Anderson's son in law. Poul has had a rather nasty form of prostate
cancer for some time. It looks as if it's about to finish him, sooner
rather than later.
Later down, on the page:
Friends --
It's with a heavy heart that I write that my father, Poul Anderson is
receiving hospice care at
home and is not expected to live more than a week. I know that some of
you are fans of his
work, and if you would care to send an e-mail direct to my parents house
(trigonier@earthlink.net) expressing what it has meant to you, he would
be very appreciative. I'll be going down there myself tomorrow (they're
in the Bay Area), so will not be getting mail here for a few days.
Astrid Bear
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Article 19446
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:20:34 -0700
Subject: Re: Poul Anderson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I have new information.
He will be missed.
*********
Posted by Greg Bear elsewhere on sff.net:
Friends,
Poul Anderson passed away last night, July 31-August 1, around midnight.
During the afternoon, he received hundreds of emails and messages from
friends and readers and fellow writers, which Astrid and Karen printed
out
and read to him. He died knowing (and how!) that he was loved and
valued,
and hearing how much his work had entertained and moved so many. Though
he was weak at the end, there was no loss of mental capacity, and my
last
conversation with him was slow but sparkling with the curiosity and
deep-seated
gentlemanliness that Poul always had, and which was, I think, built into
his whole body and being.
He is survived by his wife and writing partner, Karen, his daughter
Astrid,
brother John, grandchildren Erik and Alexandra, nieces Janet and Cathy,
and by millions of readers.
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Article 19447
From: Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@home.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:33:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Poul Anderson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
This is sad news. I only met Poul online when he and Karen were guests on
our Heinlein AIM chat but he was a most entertaining and interesting guest.
I'm glad he got to read the messages we all sent him.
If anyone wants to read the log of that chat, it is on the page that Dave
Wright keeps at,
http://www.alltel.net/~dwrighsr/heinlein.html
Jane
--
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
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Article 19448
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:31:00 -0700
Subject: Re: Poul Anderson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> Poul Anderson passed away last night, July 31-August 1, around
> midnight.
And so the bright August noonday California sun dims - just a little,
but forevermore.
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19449
From: Pete LaGrange <oldman1961@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:38:11 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:18:43 -0400, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
Johnson) wrote:
>I haven't seen anyone post any tasty recipes in a dog's age.
-Oldman's Never Fail Chili-
1 lb. ground beef (pork, lamb and venison also work well) fried and
drained WELL
1 large can kidney beans (juice and all)
1 small onion
1 large green pepper
1 tbsp. salt
6 (3-10) tbsp. chili powder
Hot sauce/hot peppers to taste (go easy/can always add later)
Enough water to cover ingredients
Mix well
Pressure cook 10-15 min. after chatter
or
cook in pot 3-4 hrs (add water as necessary)
on low
Add 1 tbsp. cornstarch dissolved in 1/4 cup water if thicker chili is
desired
Note: I never make as little as 1 unit as this stuff goes FAST
--
Pete LaGrange
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/lagrange
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Article 19450
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:49:17 GMT
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:38:11 -0400, Pete LaGrange
<oldman1961@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:18:43 -0400, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
>Johnson) wrote:
>
>>I haven't seen anyone post any tasty recipes in a dog's age.
>
>-Oldman's Never Fail Chili-
>
Hiya Pete/Oldman! I don't know that I've seen you post before.
You're off to a good start with a recipe as your first post. ;)
BTW, liked your web page. Your Universal Life Church link is
outdated, though, and InoculateIT PE is no longer supported as a free
product. (You wanted to know!)
And your "Letter to your Son" is something I should save for *my*
(almost) one-year-old. Except she's the Italian, and I'm not
Jamaican. ;)
JT
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Article 19451
From: Ed Johnson <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com >
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:24:32 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Pete: That sounds like a tasty Chili, thanks for the recipe.
BTW: back in 1961 I picked up the nickname of "Old Man Ed" from two
of my siblings.
Ed J
On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:38:11 -0400, Pete LaGrange
<oldman1961@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:18:43 -0400, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
>Johnson) wrote:
>
>>I haven't seen anyone post any tasty recipes in a dog's age.
>
>-Oldman's Never Fail Chili-
>
>1 lb. ground beef (pork, lamb and venison also work well) fried and
>drained WELL
>1 large can kidney beans (juice and all)
>1 small onion
>1 large green pepper
>1 tbsp. salt
>6 (3-10) tbsp. chili powder
>Hot sauce/hot peppers to taste (go easy/can always add later)
>Enough water to cover ingredients
>
>Mix well
>
>Pressure cook 10-15 min. after chatter
>or
>cook in pot 3-4 hrs (add water as necessary)
>
>on low
>
>Add 1 tbsp. cornstarch dissolved in 1/4 cup water if thicker chili is
>desired
>
>Note: I never make as little as 1 unit as this stuff goes FAST
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Article 19452
From: Pete LaGrange <oldman1961@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:11:57 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 23:49:17 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>Hiya Pete/Oldman! I don't know that I've seen you post before.
>You're off to a good start with a recipe as your first post. ;)
You have (prolly three or more years ago).
>BTW, liked your web page. Your Universal Life Church link is
>outdated, though, and InoculateIT PE is no longer supported as a free
>product. (You wanted to know!)
Thanks.
>
>And your "Letter to your Son" is something I should save for *my*
>(almost) one-year-old. Except she's the Italian, and I'm not
>Jamaican. ;)
Written in a fit of mortality after a (seemingly-oh-so-serious) heart
attack. It should probably be updated, but I doubt I ever will.
Thanks again
>
>JT
--
Pete LaGrange
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/lagrange
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Article 19453
From: Pete LaGrange <oldman1961@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:16:06 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:24:32 -0400, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@home.spamthis.com > wrote:
>Pete: That sounds like a tasty Chili, thanks for the recipe.
>BTW: back in 1961 I picked up the nickname of "Old Man Ed" from two
>of my siblings.
>
>Ed J
I used to laugh at my Dad as he would watch me eat hot peppers and
long for the solid stomach he once had. Now, I find myself on the
receiving end of that joke. Kids are great, eh?
Enjoy
--
Pete LaGrange
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/lagrange
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Article 19454
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 10:42:36 GMT
Subject: DSL Security ???
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I think that I'm going to be getting a DSL line when we move, the
people at the phone co. say that I'll always be connected to the 'Net
if the computer is on. What do I need in terms of Software for
security purposes? Or do I need some type of of hardware thing?
If at all possible try to use simple terms when explaining or giving
examples.(think Vinnie Barbarino<g>)
I'm running a PIII-700Mhz with Win98SE & 128Mb RAM, the DSL will be
768Mbs.
Thanx,
Fader
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