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Article 23433
From: jonbourner@hotmail.com
Date: 27 Jan 2004 15:51:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Eastern snow
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

that was very wise about hiring a car in this weather take it easy i was
in a car cash just over christmas. take care

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Article 23434
From: Charles Graft 
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 18:03:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Voting  Internet
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Kevin--
     My system was precinct based -- a PC style screen displaying a list
of candidates for each office as the voter scrolled through.  My
particular system has been sold twice but is generating only a
(substantial) minimum royalty -- the second buyer merged with the first
buyer and went a different technological route.  My patent lawyer and I
may try to break the logjam in a year or so.  The feds have been kind of
slow releasing the money for all these new systems.

--
<<Big Charlie>>

"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"



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Article 23435
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:30:23 -0800
Subject: Re: Voting  Internet
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I agree with the government report, and Bruce Schneier, as well. He has been
saying similar things for some time, in detail.

Bruce Schneier writes a newsletter about security called Cryptogram, as well
as being the author of Applied Cryptography, Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly
about Security in an Uncertain World, and Secrets & Lies: Digital Security
in a Networked World, and heads one of the top computer security companies
in the world. He often discusses online and computerized voting systems. He
discusses in detail a number of points, including why electronic voting is
not analogous to electronic cash. I highly recommend the second and third
books I mentioned to anyone who wants to understand security, both computer
and real world.

His opinion was that current electronic voting systems cannot be trusted,
and will not be able to be trusted without major changes in how they are
used, no matter how good the technology. Why? Because a "secure" voting
system can always be broken, and there is no way to know if it has or
hasn't. Even worse, hackers don't even need to successfully hack the system
to break it. The reasons for this are also why an electronic cash system is
not analogous to an electronic voting system.

Consider this situation. Evil Hackers Unlimited announces that they hacked
the US banking system and stole one million dollars. What do we do? The US
banking system checks, discovers there is no million dollars missing, and
laughs at them.

Now compare this. Evil Hackers Unlimited announces that they hacked the US
presidential election and changed one million votes, thereby changing the
result of the election. What do we do? We talk about it a lot, and hope they
are lying. There isn't anything else to do.

His opinion was that, for an electronic voting system to work, it would have
to be done at polls, the machine will print out your votes onto a piece of
paper, you would (in theory) verify that the printout was correct, and you
would put that paper into the voting box outside the booth. The votes would
be tallied electronically, but could be spot checked or re-tallied by human
beings.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

In news:4011B0B5.3D20813E@aol.com, Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
typed:
> As many of you know, I am not exactly a disinterested party in this.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>   MAKING VOTES COUNT
> The Perils of Online Voting
>
> Published: January 23, 2004
>
>
> Internet voting has been viewed as a possible cure for some of the
> ills that afflict the mechanics of American democracy. Recently, the
> technology has seemed to move ahead of any serious consideration of
> whether it is actually a good idea to allow home computer owners to
> choose a president in the same way they order bath towels online or
> send e-mail to their relatives. But now there are grave questions
> about whether even the technology makes sense.
>
> Four computer scientists brought in by the Pentagon to analyze a plan
> for Internet voting by the military issued a blistering report this
> week, concluding that the program should be halted. These four are the
> only members of a 10-member advisory committee to issue a report on
> the program. Their findings make it clear that the potential for
> hackers to steal votes or otherwise subvert elections electronically
> is too high. Congress should suspend the program.
>
> The intentions behind the Pentagon's plan, the Secure Electronic
> Registration and Voting Experiment, are laudable. Military personnel
> overseas, and other Americans abroad, face obstacles to registering
> and voting. The new program would ease the way by allowing them to
> use any computer hooked up to the Internet. This year, it would be
> limited to voters abroad who are from one of 50 counties in seven
> states, but it could eventually be used by all of the estimated six
> million American voters overseas.
>
> But the advantages of the Pentagon's Internet voting system would be
> far outweighed by the dangers it would pose. The report makes it
> clear that the possibilities for compromising the secrecy of the
> ballot, voting multiple times and carrying out vote theft on a large
> scale would be limited only by the imagination and skill of would-be
> saboteurs. Viruses could be written that would lodge on voters'
> computers and change their votes. Internet service providers, or even
> foreign governments that control network access, could interfere with
> votes before they reached their destination.
>
> This week's report - which was written by respected scientists,
> including Aviel Rubin, an associate professor of computer science at
> Johns Hopkins University - is not the first to call Internet voting
> into question. A March 2001 study conducted by the Internet Policy
> Institute and financed by the National Science Foundation found that
> Internet systems like the Pentagon's "pose significant risk to the
> integrity of the voting process."
>
> There is every reason to believe that if federal elections can be
> tampered with, they will be, particularly when a single hacker,
> working alone, might be able to use an online voting system to steal a
> presidential election. The authors of this week's report concede that
> there is no way of knowing how likely it is that the Pentagon's voting
> system would be compromised. What is clear, however, is that until the
> vulnerabilities they identified are eliminated, the risks are too
> great.
>
> Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Believed to be fair use.



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Article 23436
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:26:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Voting  Internet
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

FS:
   Your paper print-out "vote" sounds quite reasonable to me.
All of the advantages of computerized voting, with the necessary
hard-copy for verification.

Ed J

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:30:23 -0800, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

>I agree with the government report, and Bruce Schneier, as well. He has been
>saying similar things for some time, in detail.
>
>Bruce Schneier writes a newsletter about security called Cryptogram, as well
>as being the author of Applied Cryptography, Beyond Fear: Thinking Sensibly
>about Security in an Uncertain World, and Secrets & Lies: Digital Security
>in a Networked World, and heads one of the top computer security companies
>in the world. He often discusses online and computerized voting systems. He
>discusses in detail a number of points, including why electronic voting is
>not analogous to electronic cash. I highly recommend the second and third
>books I mentioned to anyone who wants to understand security, both computer
>and real world.
>
>His opinion was that current electronic voting systems cannot be trusted,
>and will not be able to be trusted without major changes in how they are
>used, no matter how good the technology. Why? Because a "secure" voting
>system can always be broken, and there is no way to know if it has or
>hasn't. Even worse, hackers don't even need to successfully hack the system
>to break it. The reasons for this are also why an electronic cash system is
>not analogous to an electronic voting system.
>
>Consider this situation. Evil Hackers Unlimited announces that they hacked
>the US banking system and stole one million dollars. What do we do? The US
>banking system checks, discovers there is no million dollars missing, and
>laughs at them.
>
>Now compare this. Evil Hackers Unlimited announces that they hacked the US
>presidential election and changed one million votes, thereby changing the
>result of the election. What do we do? We talk about it a lot, and hope they
>are lying. There isn't anything else to do.
>
>His opinion was that, for an electronic voting system to work, it would have
>to be done at polls, the machine will print out your votes onto a piece of
>paper, you would (in theory) verify that the printout was correct, and you
>would put that paper into the voting box outside the booth. The votes would
>be tallied electronically, but could be spot checked or re-tallied by human
>beings.


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Article 23437
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:35:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Eastern snow
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I shoveled out my house and car on Monday and went to work. I'm a nice guy,
so I also shoveled out a path from my neighbor's porch to her car, and
cleared the plowdrift from behind it.

Then tonight, after work, I got to the subway station, chipped a car out of
a block of ice, and drove home!

WJaKe



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Article 23438
From: Wendy of NJ 
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:00:51 -0500
Subject: Re: MIAHM to be filmed?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

If it's done well, it could be great...

We used to play a game (mostly on long road trips) where we would cast 
MIAHM. And at a couple of conventions in the '80's, we actually held 
room parties to vote on who would play various roles.

My top picks from those days are either too old now, or gone entirely...
(Raul Julia for Manny and Darryl Hanna for Wyoming)
-Wendy

Jane Davitt wrote:
> This looks interesting...
> 
> http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-film.html?2004-01/20/13.00.film
> 
> Jane


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Article 23439
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:41:16 GMT
Subject: Photo tour of Bonny Doon
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  Added to the Heinlein Society website, a photo tour of Bonny Doon,
part 1. 
  http://www.heinleinsociety.org/

  I have never found photos of the Heinlein's Bonny Doon home
elsewhere on the Internet--I was lookng to find some for my own RAH
website--now courtesy of the Heinlein Society an in-depth photo tour
of the house and grounds. Part 1 is up with nearly 80 more photos to
follow. 


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23440
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:41:16 GMT
Subject: Caleb & Jasmine in Wagon Train to the Stars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  I took a chance on buying the whole season of DVDs of Joss Whedon's
"Firefly," though I'd never seen any of it before, based in part on
recommendations here. The reviews and comments here were right on. 

  We've watched the 2 hour pilot and the first as-aired episode so
far. Love the open with the western/space combination. And the
premise--it's really not so much "Wagon Train to the Stars" (though
both Geo and I were thinking about Gene Roddenbery as we watched) as
it is post-Civil War outlaws... more Jesse James still fighting the
Union (Alliance). Good characters, and Whedon's signature richness of
detail and back-story. Whedon may be the best dialog writer in tv. And
he has a gift for acquiring actors who are exceptionally talented,
moreso than their resumes would suggest--I mean, not well-knowns or
experienced but very good talents and able to pull off his dialog and
character oddities without making it come out goofy.

  This led me to think of my 'dream-team' for producing adaptations of
Heinlein's novels: scripts co-written by Joss Whedon and J. Michael
Strazinski (I may have spelled that wrong--the Babylon 5 creator),
with directing by Peter Jackson. 


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23441
From: Mitch Wagner 
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:56:19 -0800
Subject: Re: MIAHM to be filmed?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:00:51 -0500, Wendy of NJ wrote:

> If it's done well, it could be great...
> 
> We used to play a game (mostly on long road trips) where we would cast 
> MIAHM. And at a couple of conventions in the '80's, we actually held 
> room parties to vote on who would play various roles.
> 
> My top picks from those days are either too old now, or gone entirely...
> (Raul Julia for Manny and Darryl Hanna for Wyoming)

Oh, that's ALWAYS a fun game.

When I find myself casting Heinlein novels, I frequently find myself liking
black actors and actresses for major roles. Not so much in "Moon."

I like Esai Morales for Manny (he's the current lieutenant on NYPD Blue),
Jennifer Garner ("Alias") for Wyoh, Morgan Freeman for Bernardo de la Paz,
and Danel Travanti ("Hill Street Blues") for Mike - or, at least, I like
him for the *voice* of Mike. We'd want a different actor for Adam Selene -
he has to be handsome, intelligent and charismatic. Maybe Jimmy Smits?

Maybe Dennis Franz for the Prof. 

Need lots and lots of Asian faces, too. 

I'd want to borrow the guys who did the sets and casting for the second
Matrix movie for "Moon" - specifically, the scenes in Zion. The corrdors of
Luna City should be carved out of rock, and the people and culture should
be derived more strongly from the Third World than the West. When I look at
the screen, I don't want to see a lot of white Anglo actors - the Moon was
settled by criminals and refugees. Huddled masses yearning to breathe free
(or, rather, breathe freely of air they've paid for with honest HK$). 



-- 
Mitch Wagner * http://blog.mitchwagner.com/ * Asked by agents if he had
anything else to tell them, Cusack responded: "Yes, I've got monkeys in my
pants." -- CNN.com, Dec. 19, 2002

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Article 23442
From: Wendy of NJ 
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 17:56:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Caleb & Jasmine in Wagon Train to the Stars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum



Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>   I took a chance on buying the whole season of DVDs of Joss Whedon's
> "Firefly," though I'd never seen any of it before, based in part on
> recommendations here. The reviews and comments here were right on. 
> 
>   We've watched the 2 hour pilot and the first as-aired episode so
> far. Love the open with the western/space combination. And the
> premise--it's really not so much "Wagon Train to the Stars" (though
> both Geo and I were thinking about Gene Roddenbery as we watched) as
> it is post-Civil War outlaws... more Jesse James still fighting the
> Union (Alliance). Good characters, and Whedon's signature richness of
> detail and back-story. Whedon may be the best dialog writer in tv. And
> he has a gift for acquiring actors who are exceptionally talented,
> moreso than their resumes would suggest--I mean, not well-knowns or
> experienced but very good talents and able to pull off his dialog and
> character oddities without making it come out goofy.
> 
>   This led me to think of my 'dream-team' for producing adaptations of
> Heinlein's novels: scripts co-written by Joss Whedon and J. Michael
> Strazinski (I may have spelled that wrong--the Babylon 5 creator),
> with directing by Peter Jackson. 
> 

Or Straczinski (I don't think I spelled it right either, lol) and 
Ellison - they worked together on B5 (Ellison was "creative consultant") 
.... I've  always loved Ellison'a screenplay for "I, Robot"

-Wendy

> 
> Deb Houdek Rule
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.heinleinsociety.org
> http://www.heinleinprize.com


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Article 23443
From: Oscagne" 
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:37:16 -0600
Subject: Re: Caleb & Jasmine in Wagon Train to the Stars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:401e51f0.251135854@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>   This led me to think of my 'dream-team' for producing adaptations of
> Heinlein's novels: scripts co-written by Joss Whedon and J. Michael
> Strazinski (I may have spelled that wrong--the Babylon 5 creator),
> with directing by Peter Jackson.

I just wish Ridley Scott or James Cameron would have gotten ST.  That story
would have done well with a Alien or Aliens level of competence and
atmosphere.

-- 
Oscagne, High Priest of Skeptics and Cynics
wanna read a story?  http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/mss
or see my goofy website?  http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/webpage/home.htm



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Article 23444
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:09:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Caleb & Jasmine in Wagon Train to the Stars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>I just wish Ridley Scott or James Cameron would have gotten ST.  That story
>would have done well with a Alien or Aliens level of competence and
>atmosphere.

  I've always maintained that Aliens is a better version of Starship
Troopers than the actual Starship Troopers movie. 

  Amused to see the Starship Troopers costumes appear on Alliance
soldiers in Firefly.


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23445
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:14:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Caleb & Jasmine in Wagon Train to the Stars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>Or Straczinski (I don't think I spelled it right either, lol) and 
>Ellison - they worked together on B5 (Ellison was "creative consultant") 
>... I've  always loved Ellison'a screenplay for "I, Robot"

  J. Michael Straczynski - I looked it up ;-)

  Maybe Spider Robinson as creative consultant--has the knowledge and
affinity for RAH's works. 

Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23446
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 20:34:03 GMT
Subject: Firefly 2004
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  The Internet Movie Database ( http://www.imdb.com ) lists a show in
production called "Firefly" (2004), but I couldn't tell if it was more
tv series, or a movie. Anyone know?


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23447
From: Jane Davitt 
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 15:55:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Firefly 2004
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>   The Internet Movie Database ( http://www.imdb.com ) lists a show in
> production called "Firefly" (2004), but I couldn't tell if it was more
> tv series, or a movie. Anyone know?

Movie, but it's still up in the air. It's what Joss is working on right 
now I think. 50/50 is it goes ahead but I hope it does. If only because 
it'd be one in the eye for Fox.

Not bitter. No.

Jane
-- 
Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at
http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html
http://www.fanfiction.net/~Jane Davitt


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Article 23448
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Firefly 2004
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:401eb024.340833702@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
>   The Internet Movie Database ( http://www.imdb.com ) lists a show in
> production called "Firefly" (2004), but I couldn't tell if it was more
> tv series, or a movie. Anyone know?
>
Possible big-screen movie. I also heard that USA Network wanted to pick up
Firefly, possibly as a series. No details, could just be wishful thinking.

WJaKe



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Article 23449
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:14:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Caleb & Jasmine in Wagon Train to the Stars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote
>
>   Amused to see the Starship Troopers costumes appear on Alliance
> soldiers in Firefly.
>

I didn't make the connection when I first saw the show, I was watching the
DVD with closed captions and the writer's commentary. I lunged for the pause
button!

Interesting comments about stealing actors, fight scene scripts, etc. from
Angel.

I like Firefly. Thanks to my little sis for getting it for me for Christmas!
<g>

WJaKe



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Article 23450
From: Lorrita Morgan" 
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:02:34 -0800
Subject: Re: MIAHM to be filmed?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Yeah, couldn't you just see Margaret Cho as one of Manny's wives? or
co-workers?  Maybe Kelly Hu as Wyoming? (I like her much better than Lucy
Lu.)  Sammo Hung, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, Dennis Dun, Suzee Pai, Nobuko
Miyamoto,  Fukumi Kuroda, are a few other Asian actors whose work I have
enjoyed over the years that might fit.

I don't watch Ballywood movies so no Indians are on my list.  I have a
weakness for live action Japanese movies by dead directors.  I've watched
"Rashamon" too many times.  I reccommend "Tampopo" for anyone who is not
offended by explict sex scenes or can skip them without feeling like they're
missing something important to the story.  (Juzo Itami was big on sex
scenes)

My copy of MiaHM is in a box somewhere.  So I'm working from memory.
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
`rita
Why am I still living out of boxes? I signed the lease in October!

"Mitch Wagner" <mitchw@sff.net> wrote in message
news:1apym3p9cenuh$.dlg@mitchwsff.net...

> Need lots and lots of Asian faces, too.
<snip> The corrdors of
> Luna City should be carved out of rock, and the people and culture should
> be derived more strongly from the Third World than the West. When I look
at
> the screen, I don't want to see a lot of white Anglo actors - the Moon was
> settled by criminals and refugees. Huddled masses yearning to breathe free
> (or, rather, breathe freely of air they've paid for with honest HK$).
>
>
>
> -- 
> Mitch Wagner * http://blog.mitchwagner.com/ * Asked by agents if he had
> anything else to tell them, Cusack responded: "Yes, I've got monkeys in my
> pants." -- CNN.com, Dec. 19, 2002
>



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Article 23451
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley 
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 07:25:09 -0600
Subject: Re: MIAHM to be filmed?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Wyoh is a tall curvy blonde.  Says so in the book.

Kevin


Lorrita Morgan wrote:
> Yeah, couldn't you just see Margaret Cho as one of Manny's wives? or
> co-workers?  Maybe Kelly Hu as Wyoming? (I like her much better than Lucy
> Lu.)  Sammo Hung, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, Dennis Dun, Suzee Pai, Nobuko
> Miyamoto,  Fukumi Kuroda, are a few other Asian actors whose work I have
> enjoyed over the years that might fit.
> 
> I don't watch Ballywood movies so no Indians are on my list.  I have a
> weakness for live action Japanese movies by dead directors.  I've watched
> "Rashamon" too many times.  I reccommend "Tampopo" for anyone who is not
> offended by explict sex scenes or can skip them without feeling like they're
> missing something important to the story.  (Juzo Itami was big on sex
> scenes)
> 
> My copy of MiaHM is in a box somewhere.  So I'm working from memory.
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> `rita
> Why am I still living out of boxes? I signed the lease in October!
> 
> "Mitch Wagner" <mitchw@sff.net> wrote in message
> news:1apym3p9cenuh$.dlg@mitchwsff.net...
> 
> 
>>Need lots and lots of Asian faces, too.
> 
> <snip> The corrdors of
> 
>>Luna City should be carved out of rock, and the people and culture should
>>be derived more strongly from the Third World than the West. When I look
> 
> at
> 
>>the screen, I don't want to see a lot of white Anglo actors - the Moon was
>>settled by criminals and refugees. Huddled masses yearning to breathe free
>>(or, rather, breathe freely of air they've paid for with honest HK$).
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Mitch Wagner * http://blog.mitchwagner.com/ * Asked by agents if he had
>>anything else to tell them, Cusack responded: "Yes, I've got monkeys in my
>>pants." -- CNN.com, Dec. 19, 2002
>>
> 
> 
> 

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