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Article: 24289
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:20:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Tsunami (was Re: Martian Car Wash)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Yah, I knew you weren't actually an expert, but I thought I'd ask
anyhow. That's pretty much what JP told me too. I just don't find it
a satisfying answer altogether. I guess I should be more worried
about ice cap metation (is that a word?) than tsunamis anyhow. We are
on our way back to VA Beach which I do believe is not high above sea
level.
So what did Rush Limbaugh have to say about sea levels? You've got me
curious now!
Les
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Article: 24290
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:24:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 20:32:34 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
>Hey, even if you can't get to the gym you should still be able to go
>for walks. But I know that's easier said than done.
>
Around HERE? In frigging Seattle? Walk? Are you NUTS?
It rains all the bloody time man!
Ok, well, not really, but it sure does feel like it. :-)
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Article: 24291
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:21:46 -0800
Subject: Re: New Privacy Tool
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <41e12560.0@news.sff.net>,
Filksinger <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
Oh, Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined!
I need to send you an email. Could you please drop me a note so I can
have an address that will serve that purpose?
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt.(jg), USN, R'td
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Article: 24292
From: Deb@sff.net (D.A. Houdek)
Date: 10 Jan 2005 16:35:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>We'll see how these "drastic" two weeks go by. Try living with an Italian
and both denying yourselves pasta for two weeks!
The two weeks is really the only hard part--and then not nearly as much
as on those hideous low fat diets because with Atkins & South Beach you
can eat real food, so you're not hungry. It's just a matter of getting past
the cravings for the sugars and starchs. And if you stick it out you'll
find the cravings do go away. After that, it's not hard at all.
I did Atkins starting a couple years ago. It's amazing. Everything dietcians
and the government with its food pyramid have been telling us for decades
is entirely wrong. "Fat makes you fat" is just a cutesy slogan that sounds
good but is entirely untrue. Another untruth floating around is that the
Atkins diet is "no carb"--no, it's not, it's low carb, with higher quality,
complex carbs added back in a steady progression.
The Atkins-type of diet, for me, was not at all an unnatural way of eating,
either. It was a return to how I ate as a kid when I was nice and thin.
I only started to put on weight in my 30s when I tried to _lose_ weight
and went to low fat foods and such. I used to stay thin eating lots of meat,
butter on everything, cheese, etc.--a farmer diet, just now with fewer potatoes
and chocolate chip cookies.
The biggest virtues of the low carb, high fat, high protein, diets are:
You're never hungry (unlike the miserable, low fat starvation diets), and
the weight stays off. On low fat diets the weight comes back because you
have to go back to really eating at some point. With the low carb you can
eat normally--but normally means you don't have cookies and popcorn for
breakfast, you have an omlet and bacon.
Another untruth being emphasized now is "All calories are equal". That's
true only in the strict scientific sense. In application, all calories are
not equal because your body processes different food types differently.
Simple sugar is easily and immediately digested and goes right into the
blood stream. Eat 200 calories of sugar you get 200 calories of imput. Fat,
on the other hand, is slowly and poorly digested--a lot isn't digested at
all. Eat 200 calories of fat and (guessed number here) you get 100 calories
of imput, and that calorie imput isn't immediate, it's very slow and gradual.
Protein also digests and absorbs slowly. End result is, your body gets the
fuel it needs at a slower, steadier pace, and you're not hungry. I picked
the half/calorie absorbtion above because, for me, I _can_ lose weight on
a low fat diet, but I have to literally get down to starvation-level calorie
imput. With Atkins, I can eat twice as much and still lose weight. I've
kept track.
"Hunger" is not just a result of a full or empty stomach. You can have
an empty stomach and not be hungry. Hunger is the body indicating it needs
fuel. 200 calories of sugar and you're hungry again in very short order
even though your body couldn't handle that much sugar at once and stored
a good portion as fat, it's confused by the feast/famine aspect of this
type of eating and doesn't automatically reach to burn that stored fat when
it needs fuel. That's what the first two weeks of the Atkins and South Beach
diets are about--to starve off the sugar binge cycle so that the body will
began burning stored fat as needed. It seems to work.
The "obesity epidemic" is, not coincidentally IMO, tied directly to the
government's and medical community's decade's long miss-information campaign
encouraging low fat dieting. Remember when eggs were put on the food sh*t
list? Eggs would kill you. And quickly. Evil cholesterol eggs. Heart attacks
waiting to happen. Well, now, after 20 years or so of that, suddenly eggs
are not only off the sh*t list, they're over on the really-really-good-for-you
list. Well, here's another one that I haven't seen talked about--laxatives.
You can see public health trends reflected in the over-the-counter consumer
medicine industry. Notice how there are more and more varieties of eye drops
on the market? And with lots of expensive national ads? And not aimed at
contact lens wearers? This isn't coincidence--the marketers didn't just
decide we needed moister eyes and are trying to convince us of that, they're
responding to a real demand, and that demand is being caused by LASIK eye
surgery. LASIK, especially large corrections, makes eyes drier. I routinely
buy eye drops now myself.
So with food/diet trends and responses--as the 'obesity epidemic' was
more and more pushed in the media, and the low fat diet trend was more and
more emphasized, laxative products began to proliferate. Fiber, fiber, fiber...
more fiber. Fiber isn't the problem, and it isn't the solution. What no
one seems to have thought of is that way back when people just did what
worked instead of what they were told should work, the cure for constipation
wasn't just fiber, it was also oil. Remember castor oil? Fiber without fat
is an unpleasant recipe for constipation (think dry brillo pad). Fat is
good. Fat is necessary. It lubricates. Fat with fiber is the best combination
in this regard, not only for the regularity factor, but because fiber absorbs
the fat and--again--you're not getting the 'all calories are equal' effect
of food imput.
Deb
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Article: 24293
From: Filksinger
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:36:10 -0800
Subject: Re: New Privacy Tool
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David M. Silver wrote:
> In article <41e12560.0@news.sff.net>,
> Filksinger <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Filksinger
>>AKA David Nasset, Sr.
>>Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
>
> Oh, Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined!
>
> I need to send you an email. Could you please drop me a note so I can
> have an address that will serve that purpose?
>
filksinger@earthling.net _is_ my email address. I don't bother to mung
it on the HF, because munging is so common that it is no longer
necessary for individuals. Spammers have given up on collecting
addresses from newsgroups, almost entirely.
I used a throw-away address that forwards to me for Usenet for a couple
months, and even that address gets less than one spam a week. Even that
took months to be picked up by whatever spam spider found it. The number
of spammers stealing address on the HF has to be even fewer, even before
the change of port number. Now it has to be effectively nil.
Not only do I expect few spammers to hunt email addresses here, but if I
thought they did, I'd just use a throw-away address. I have an unlimited
number through two services that both have the ability to not only
create new addresses at will to forward directly to my regular email
address, but both mung the reply field on incoming email so that, even
if I reply, they never see my real email address.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24294
From: Lorrita Morgan"
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:58:46 -0800
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I've done "low fat-high fiber" for years. I'm not a picky eater, I'm an
allergic PITA. So I run into recommendations that can "kill" me in the
Atkins, South Beach, and other currently popular diets.
I do whole grains and try to stay out of Fast Food places. (BK's morning
crew does know my regular order by heart.) Whole grain pasta is readily
available locally and veggies I can eat are usually affordable so I make my
versions of skillet meals.
My current favorite meal is 3-5 ounces sautéed diced or sliced chicken
breast seasoned with ginger, garlic, black pepper, and basil; a cup of
veggies(onions, bell peppers, mushrooms, broccoli or whatever) sautéed with
the chicken; 1 package of Thai Kitchen Instant Rice Noodle Soup prepared
with only 3/4 cup water; served over a bed of salad mix out of a bag. It's
quick, It might even fit some of your diets. I use olive oil for sautéing.
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Article: 24295
From: John Paul Vrolyk
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:49:20 -0800
Subject: It's official: good-bye WA, hello VA!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi all!
Les & I have alluded to our disgruntlement with
living on the Left Coast, working for M$, Seattle
weather, etc., and our "solution": me joining the
US Army. However, until today, exact dates were
something we didn't have. Now we do.
Several weeks ago I finally received notice from
the Immigation folks that my naturalization
interview will be on Feb. 17.
Knowing that, I managed to arrange today that I'll
ship off for boot camp on Feb. 23.
Before that, we'll be moving back to Virginia.
Driving all the way across the continent with two
kids in the car is going to be challenging, but
we're hoping to site-see a little, and stop to
visit some friends along the way.
Hey, you guys in Indianapolis, you're right on our
way! See you in early February! If anyone would
like us to stop and say hello, and is on this path:
Seattle-Portland-SaltLakeCity-Indianapolis-
Cincinatti-NorthernVA-TidewaterVA, let us know!
And, before all that, my last day with M$ will be
Friday next week, January 21, with us packing up
and leaving Washington within a few days.
(Hey, Filksinger, we've been here a year and a half,
and haven't had a chance to meet you yet. If you're
interested in getting together some evening real
soon, send me or Les an email.)
--
John Paul Vrolyk
jp@vrolyk.org
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Article: 24296
From: Filksinger
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:15:57 -0800
Subject: Re: Tsunami (was Re: Martian Car Wash)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Les Vrolyk wrote:
> Yah, I knew you weren't actually an expert, but I thought I'd ask
> anyhow. That's pretty much what JP told me too. I just don't find it
> a satisfying answer altogether. I guess I should be more worried
> about ice cap metation (is that a word?) than tsunamis anyhow. We are
> on our way back to VA Beach which I do believe is not high above sea
> level.
>
> So what did Rush Limbaugh have to say about sea levels? You've got me
> curious now!
>
> Les
Well, you must understand that this was only one of the nails in the
coffin, so to speak. There was at least one thing that was enormously
worse, consisting of dozens of nails all in one bundle.
Rush Limbaugh was talking about global warming and the rising of the
oceans, and said that, as he understood it, when ice floating in water
melted, the water didn't rise in the glass, so he didn't see how the
ocean would rise if the ice caps melted.
My reaction to this was threefold. The third is the damning one.
1. It would take little effort to discover that more than 95% of all ice
on Earth is on dry land, a task he could delegate. I took less than an
hour, using the 1995 Internet. He didn't bother. (I assume it isn't raw
stupidity.)
2. It is a personal peeve of mine (and beyond peeve) when people claim
their ignorant opinion is superior to highly informed opinions of
experts. If he had actually done research and come up with a different
answer, that would be fine, but he didn't.
3. He wasn't really claiming anything about global warming at all, not
really. What he was _really_ saying was, "Scientists are all either
incompetent fools or liars, pushing left-wing agendas. Their claims are
so meaningless that my ignorance is superior to their informed opinion.
Unless, of course, they agree with me."
Much worse, to me, was a list of mistakes by Rush Limbaugh, once readily
available on the Internet, but which I cannot find anymore. I forget
what book it was published in.
The list of mistakes made by Rush Limbaugh wasn't what bothered me.
Everyone makes mistakes. I sure as hell do, and plenty of them. The list
of responses to his responses didn't interest me either, not even enough
to locate and read them.
Rush Limbaugh's responses to the list of his factual mistakes and
unsupported questionable claims, however, was damning. They were a list
of some 50+ of the most weasily, two-faced, paternalistic, and
self-serving statements I have ever seen. He barely admitted that there
was a single incorrect statement on the list. When he did, he tried to
turn what he essentially admitted were outright lies into something
noble. This usually consisted of claiming that he was illustrating a
"higher truth". ("I said that to illustrate a higher truth," means, "I
am so wise that I can discover truths that, even given my reasoning and
the facts I started with, you lesser people might not understand, so I
tell you simple lies so that you simple people can understand and gain
the benefits of my great wisdom.")
Rush's replies proved to me that he has, if anything, less honesty than
the politicians he derides.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24297
From: Deb@sff.net (D.A. Houdek)
Date: 11 Jan 2005 01:13:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>I'm an allergic PITA
What's that?
Obviously one has to avoid foods one is allergic to, but if the recipe
you gave is an example of your general diet, you pretty much are doing Atkins,
save for the rice and noodles which I imagine you do in moderation (wild
rice is better). Atkins doesn't have to be done high fat--it just doesn't
shun fat and oil as evil, like we've been pressed to believe for so many
years--well, artificial fats (trans-fats?), like shortening and margarine
are regarded as evil.
Atkins, done as recommended, is extremely vegetable and salad-heavy. High
fiber--but the key element is low carb. I don't like vegetables or salad,
though, so I go toward the meat, cheese, end of the scale. And I love butter.
On everything. Dairy farmer genes, I guess.
My brother became a hard-core vegetarian a few years ago when he became
a Seventh Day Adventist. Far-end vegetarian to the point of only eating
uncooked foods. He had gotten Lyme disease at the point when no one knew
what it was and so it went untreated for years. If you're familiar, you
know what that does--lots of problems, including severe arthritis-like problems.
He says the vegetarian diet cured him. He looks like he stepped out of a
concentration camp, but he says he feels really good, so whatever works...
BTW, I checked my cholesterol after doing the happily-high-fat diet for
a while--I'm just about off the _low_ end of the scale.
Deb
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Article: 24298
From: William Keaton"
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:48:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
> She'll probably kill me for posting this here, but Christine & I are
> trying our first-ever "real" diet starting tomorrow.
Hey JT and Christine
First, good luck!
Second, I actually did lose about 27 pounds, with a combination of excercise
and Weight Watchers. I've put back on a few pounds, due to lack of
excercise, but I did learn some things from the WW program. Portion
control!! I learned just how much I was (over)eating. The beauty of WW is,
you can eat anything you want, just not much of it. So if I wanted the Big
Mac, that was about all I could eat that day!
So I would recommend WW. A semi-humorous column in the Post on New Year's
Day mentioned two items:
Never use a diet with a location in the title.
Never buy fitness equipment you can pay for in 4 easy payments. (call now
and we'll make the first payment for you!!)
WJaKe
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Article: 24299
From: Lorrita Morgan"
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:49:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The PITA part comes from not being able to buy many prepared foods (like
bread, crackers, pudding, juice drinks, coffee, etc.) I just spent two days
in the VA's Lodger quarters and I would have starved (or become an
inpatient) if I hadn't brought and bought my own food.
Dairy alone can really limit my choices in prepared food. Add in the weird
stuff I react to like cinnamon, apples, and corn syrup and it makes eating
anywhere but home a real adventure. It surprises people that I can do nuts,
wheat, and eggs.
Keeping an eye on lables is another part of the PITA of allergies. "New and
improved" usually means that a "safe" brand just added an allergen to its
ingredients. I've just about given up chewing gum because almost all gums
at the regular checkout have aspertame.
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Article: 24300
From: Lorrita Morgan"
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:58:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Tsunami (was Re: Martian Car Wash)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:41e2f08d.0@news.sff.net...
snip>>Rush Limbaugh's responses to the list of his factual mistakes and
unsupported questionable claims, however, was damning. <snip>
Rush's replies proved to me that he has, if anything, less honesty than
the politicians he derides.<<
Sounds like Rush belongs on the list here.
http://preventtragedyfoundation.org/
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"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:41e2f08d.0@news.sff.net...
> Les Vrolyk wrote:
> > Yah, I knew you weren't actually an expert, but I thought I'd ask
> > anyhow. That's pretty much what JP told me too. I just don't find it
> > a satisfying answer altogether. I guess I should be more worried
> > about ice cap metation (is that a word?) than tsunamis anyhow. We are
> > on our way back to VA Beach which I do believe is not high above sea
> > level.
> >
> > So what did Rush Limbaugh have to say about sea levels? You've got me
> > curious now!
> >
> > Les
>
> Well, you must understand that this was only one of the nails in the
> coffin, so to speak. There was at least one thing that was enormously
> worse, consisting of dozens of nails all in one bundle.
>
> Rush Limbaugh was talking about global warming and the rising of the
> oceans, and said that, as he understood it, when ice floating in water
> melted, the water didn't rise in the glass, so he didn't see how the
> ocean would rise if the ice caps melted.
>
> My reaction to this was threefold. The third is the damning one.
>
> 1. It would take little effort to discover that more than 95% of all ice
> on Earth is on dry land, a task he could delegate. I took less than an
> hour, using the 1995 Internet. He didn't bother. (I assume it isn't raw
> stupidity.)
>
> 2. It is a personal peeve of mine (and beyond peeve) when people claim
> their ignorant opinion is superior to highly informed opinions of
> experts. If he had actually done research and come up with a different
> answer, that would be fine, but he didn't.
>
> 3. He wasn't really claiming anything about global warming at all, not
> really. What he was _really_ saying was, "Scientists are all either
> incompetent fools or liars, pushing left-wing agendas. Their claims are
> so meaningless that my ignorance is superior to their informed opinion.
> Unless, of course, they agree with me."
>
>
> Much worse, to me, was a list of mistakes by Rush Limbaugh, once readily
> available on the Internet, but which I cannot find anymore. I forget
> what book it was published in.
>
> The list of mistakes made by Rush Limbaugh wasn't what bothered me.
> Everyone makes mistakes. I sure as hell do, and plenty of them. The list
> of responses to his responses didn't interest me either, not even enough
> to locate and read them.
>
> Rush Limbaugh's responses to the list of his factual mistakes and
> unsupported questionable claims, however, was damning. They were a list
> of some 50+ of the most weasily, two-faced, paternalistic, and
> self-serving statements I have ever seen. He barely admitted that there
> was a single incorrect statement on the list. When he did, he tried to
> turn what he essentially admitted were outright lies into something
> noble. This usually consisted of claiming that he was illustrating a
> "higher truth". ("I said that to illustrate a higher truth," means, "I
> am so wise that I can discover truths that, even given my reasoning and
> the facts I started with, you lesser people might not understand, so I
> tell you simple lies so that you simple people can understand and gain
> the benefits of my great wisdom.")
>
> Rush's replies proved to me that he has, if anything, less honesty than
> the politicians he derides.
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24301
From: JT
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:58:15 -0500
Subject: Re: It's official: good-bye WA, hello VA!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:49:20 -0800, John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org>
wrote:
>like us to stop and say hello, and is on this path:
>Seattle-Portland-SaltLakeCity-Indianapolis-
>Cincinatti-NorthernVA-TidewaterVA, let us know!
>
Not sure exactly where in NOVA you'll be travelling, but if it works
out, that would be great to see you all. I don't think I've met
Virginia yet!
Anyway, best of luck with the travel and the job closeout.
JT
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Article: 24302
From: JT
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:05:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 11 Jan 2005 01:13:35 GMT, Deb@sff.net (D.A. Houdek) wrote:
>>I'm an allergic PITA
> What's that?
Thanks to everyone for encouragement and their experiences. I
actually -feel- like I can do this, even though it's still pretty
hard, and what Deb said about being more of a change to diet rather
than a limiting low-calorie Diet has a lot to do with that.
This first phase with the severe restrictions on carbs is hard because
I'm not a huge fan of salads, but the variety even for picky me is
doable. We had an excellent meal tonight, even the kids ate pretty
well from the 'diet' foods.
I had some lunch with friends today and I said "Oh no, I've become one
of those people that talk about their Diet". After they agreed, they
said I wasn't that bad. ;)
Anyway, I'm just going to try and not think about it for the next
almost two weeks, and we'll see how I do.
JT
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Article: 24303
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 04:43:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Tsunami (was Re: Martian Car Wash)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Very interesting indeed. I've never liked this guy anyway, but now I
know why!
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:15:57 -0800, Filksinger
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>Les Vrolyk wrote:
>> Yah, I knew you weren't actually an expert, but I thought I'd ask
>> anyhow. That's pretty much what JP told me too. I just don't find it
>> a satisfying answer altogether. I guess I should be more worried
>> about ice cap metation (is that a word?) than tsunamis anyhow. We are
>> on our way back to VA Beach which I do believe is not high above sea
>> level.
>>
>> So what did Rush Limbaugh have to say about sea levels? You've got me
>> curious now!
>>
>> Les
>
>Well, you must understand that this was only one of the nails in the
>coffin, so to speak. There was at least one thing that was enormously
>worse, consisting of dozens of nails all in one bundle.
>
>Rush Limbaugh was talking about global warming and the rising of the
>oceans, and said that, as he understood it, when ice floating in water
>melted, the water didn't rise in the glass, so he didn't see how the
>ocean would rise if the ice caps melted.
>
>My reaction to this was threefold. The third is the damning one.
>
>1. It would take little effort to discover that more than 95% of all ice
>on Earth is on dry land, a task he could delegate. I took less than an
>hour, using the 1995 Internet. He didn't bother. (I assume it isn't raw
>stupidity.)
>
>2. It is a personal peeve of mine (and beyond peeve) when people claim
>their ignorant opinion is superior to highly informed opinions of
>experts. If he had actually done research and come up with a different
>answer, that would be fine, but he didn't.
>
>3. He wasn't really claiming anything about global warming at all, not
>really. What he was _really_ saying was, "Scientists are all either
>incompetent fools or liars, pushing left-wing agendas. Their claims are
>so meaningless that my ignorance is superior to their informed opinion.
>Unless, of course, they agree with me."
>
>
>Much worse, to me, was a list of mistakes by Rush Limbaugh, once readily
>available on the Internet, but which I cannot find anymore. I forget
>what book it was published in.
>
>The list of mistakes made by Rush Limbaugh wasn't what bothered me.
>Everyone makes mistakes. I sure as hell do, and plenty of them. The list
>of responses to his responses didn't interest me either, not even enough
>to locate and read them.
>
>Rush Limbaugh's responses to the list of his factual mistakes and
>unsupported questionable claims, however, was damning. They were a list
>of some 50+ of the most weasily, two-faced, paternalistic, and
>self-serving statements I have ever seen. He barely admitted that there
>was a single incorrect statement on the list. When he did, he tried to
>turn what he essentially admitted were outright lies into something
>noble. This usually consisted of claiming that he was illustrating a
>"higher truth". ("I said that to illustrate a higher truth," means, "I
>am so wise that I can discover truths that, even given my reasoning and
>the facts I started with, you lesser people might not understand, so I
>tell you simple lies so that you simple people can understand and gain
>the benefits of my great wisdom.")
>
>Rush's replies proved to me that he has, if anything, less honesty than
>the politicians he derides.
>
>--
>Filksinger
>AKA David Nasset, Sr.
>Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24304
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:02:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I have a friend who is a big proponant of the Atkins diet also. She's
been a health food nut since we were kids. And she's done lots of
reading about diet and health. She really believes Atkins should not
be a diet, but a life-style. She has her kids doing a low-carb diet.
Two of them were sick out of school for many weeks with stomach
problems. The doctors told her they were faking it, nothing wrong
with them. She put them on a low-diet and now they are fine. I've
almost been won over to trying Atkins a few times in my life, but I've
always come up against the pregnant or nursing problem. At least WW
allows for nursing women to diet. They've modified their points
scales for it, which I think is great.
Diet for me is such a big issue. I really want my kids to grow up
eating healthy. It's just so hard to pinpoint what really IS a
healthy diet. I really like the idea of a whole foods diet. If I
could afford it, I'd buy more natural products.
I think my biggest problem with actually doing an Atkins diet is that
I'm not a big veggie eater and I get sick of eating meat real fast.
I'm a carb addict through and through!
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Article: 24305
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:04:30 GMT
Subject: Re: It's official: good-bye WA, hello VA!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I don't think we'll be to the Baltimore area. I think we're going to
be hard pressed to beat the moving van back to VA. But that doesn't
mean you wont see me and the kids! We're quite sure we'll make a trip
up to see you guys while we're in the VA area.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:58:15 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:49:20 -0800, John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org>
>wrote:
>
>>like us to stop and say hello, and is on this path:
>>Seattle-Portland-SaltLakeCity-Indianapolis-
>>Cincinatti-NorthernVA-TidewaterVA, let us know!
>>
>Not sure exactly where in NOVA you'll be travelling, but if it works
>out, that would be great to see you all. I don't think I've met
>Virginia yet!
>
>Anyway, best of luck with the travel and the job closeout.
>
>JT
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Article: 24306
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:49:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: Good luck to you both on this new diet. If you can keep away
from the carbohydrates, you should be able to increase your caloric
intake and still loose the weight. That should be incouraging: eat
more and still loose! (someone said: Take life in big bites:
moderation is for monks! <G>)
I started Atkins on June 30, 2003. In the first 5 months, I
dropped about 35 pounds of useless fat, mostly from the waist-line.
My waist size went from 44 to 38 inches on Atkins (Atkins For Life,
that is). With light exercise such as abdominal crunches, I was
able to get into size 36 waist pants, for the first time in nearly
ten years!
I lost a total of 45 lbs on a lo-carb diet. I have gained nearly
10 lbs over these recent holidays, and it will probably take me a
month or two to get that weight back off. As a borderline diabetic,
the Atkins diet is very beneficial in maintaining my blood-sugar
levels. Loosing six inches off of my waist was the most obvious
benefit of this diet for me. I was formerly known as a junk-food
junkie. Atkins doesn't still the cravings for candy, but it does
seem to be the healthy way to rearrange your daily diet.
Ed J
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:05:15 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>On 11 Jan 2005 01:13:35 GMT, Deb@sff.net (D.A. Houdek) wrote:
>
>>>I'm an allergic PITA
>> What's that?
>Thanks to everyone for encouragement and their experiences. I
>actually -feel- like I can do this, even though it's still pretty
>hard, and what Deb said about being more of a change to diet rather
>than a limiting low-calorie Diet has a lot to do with that.
>
>This first phase with the severe restrictions on carbs is hard because
>I'm not a huge fan of salads, but the variety even for picky me is
>doable. We had an excellent meal tonight, even the kids ate pretty
>well from the 'diet' foods.
>
>I had some lunch with friends today and I said "Oh no, I've become one
>of those people that talk about their Diet". After they agreed, they
>said I wasn't that bad. ;)
>
>Anyway, I'm just going to try and not think about it for the next
>almost two weeks, and we'll see how I do.
>
>JT
>
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Article: 24307
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:35:48 GMT
Subject: Rustycon and Filksinger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Minigathering Report!
JP and I met up with Filksinger last night at Rustycon here in
beautiful Seatac, WA. It was a very nice con, but much smaller than
the 2 world cons that I've been to, understandably! We yaked for a
couple hours and wandered around the con. I got a book signed by CJ
Cherryh, who is of course my favorite living author! How cool was
that? Actually it was a little disappointing. She was sitting there
with only 2 people chatting with her (this was the signing table) and
I COULD have butted in with some pithy opening and begun a life-long
friendship, but NO! I couldn't think of a damn thing to say. Doesn't
that figure? So I ran over to a booth and grabbed a paperback copy of
"Foriegner" and ran back to get a signature. I told her my name. I
think that was the extent of my conversation. But I did get a book
inscribed to me! Didn't have one of those yet. At my first con I
managed to finagle a picture with CJ, but no conversation that time
either! UGH!
But really, I tell myself, why were we there? To see Filksinger and
his gang! And that was great! It is always awesome to put faces to
names here on the HF. And his family was extremely sweet. Jack did
some serious sword fighting with Filksinger's son! Too bad we didn't
have any Dickel to toast the celebrations.
Thanks for taking the time to get together with us Filksinger!
Les
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Article: 24308
From: Filksinger
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:04:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Rustycon and Filksinger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
We, too, greatly enjoyed seeing Les, JP, and family. It was good to put
faces and voices to the names. Their kids are delightful (which may be
partly because I love children). Ginny was too young to really
appreciate the con, but Jack was ecstatic. Star Wars, costumes, swords
and sword fighting, dragons, unicorns, and cartoons? He couldn't have
been happier, once he started noticing.:)
It was very nice meeting everyone. Sorry my wife was gone for so long,
but, as she pointed out to me, I was supposed to get her out of the
panel when we settled down after an hour or so, so that was my fault.:(
I knew that, without a watch, she'd never leave until the panel was over.
Les Vrolyk wrote:
> Minigathering Report!
>
> JP and I met up with Filksinger last night at Rustycon here in
> beautiful Seatac, WA. It was a very nice con, but much smaller than
> the 2 world cons that I've been to, understandably! We yaked for a
> couple hours and wandered around the con. I got a book signed by CJ
> Cherryh, who is of course my favorite living author! How cool was
> that? Actually it was a little disappointing. She was sitting there
> with only 2 people chatting with her (this was the signing table) and
> I COULD have butted in with some pithy opening and begun a life-long
> friendship, but NO! I couldn't think of a damn thing to say. Doesn't
> that figure? So I ran over to a booth and grabbed a paperback copy of
> "Foriegner" and ran back to get a signature. I told her my name. I
> think that was the extent of my conversation. But I did get a book
> inscribed to me! Didn't have one of those yet. At my first con I
> managed to finagle a picture with CJ, but no conversation that time
> either! UGH!
>
> But really, I tell myself, why were we there? To see Filksinger and
> his gang! And that was great! It is always awesome to put faces to
> names here on the HF. And his family was extremely sweet. Jack did
> some serious sword fighting with Filksinger's son! Too bad we didn't
> have any Dickel to toast the celebrations.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to get together with us Filksinger!
>
> Les
>
>
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24309
From: Filksinger
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:20:51 -0800
Subject: Rivers and Lakes and Alluvial Plains, Oh, My!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The Cassini probe dropped Huygens on Titan, and the above is what they
found. Rivers, lakes, and worn plains full of well-rounded river rocks.
This was even more auspicious than it seems, considering they came very
very close to losing all data from Huygens, entirely. If it wasn't for
an engineer named Boris Smedds, we would have gotten back nothing.
See:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/index.html
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/index.cfm
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24310
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (John Tilden)
Date: 21 Jan 2005 13:36:49 GMT
Subject: TMIAHM
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hmmmm....
Tim Minear talks about ’The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress’
From Scifi.com - 2005-01-20th
Minear’s Moon Still Rises
Tim Minear, who is adapting Robert A. Heinlein’s classic SF novel The Moon
Is a Harsh Mistress for the screen, told SCI FI Wire that he just completed
the latest draft of the screenplay. "I just actually turned in my next pass
at it this morning [Jan. 17] to [producers] David Heyman and Mike Medavoy,"
Minear said in an interview whilre promoting his new Fox series The Inside.
"The next step is they read it and maybe give me more notes or take it to
a director or whatever."
It’s been a pet project for Minear to adapt Heinlein’s difficult Hugo-Award-winning
1966 book, about the rebellion of a former lunar penal colony against the
Lunar Authority that controls it from Earth. "[It’s] very difficult to adapt,"
Minear said. "It’s interesting. I kept a lot more from the book than people
may have expected. The light marriages are still there. The free trade with
Earth is still there. The catapult is still there. And, you know, it’s not
a silly arm on a fulcrum or something. The idea is this sort of ferris wheel
thing that takes it up over the gravity well and drops to Earth. The thing
that I changed from the book is that Mike, the computer, manifests himself
visually, so he’s not just a voice. But what I’ve done is I’ve given the
citizens of Luna ocular ’ident stamps,’ which are the equivalent of prisoner
tattoos, and Mike finds a way into the personalized signature of people,
so he can show himself to you, but no one else can see him. So that’s maybe
the thing I added."
Though The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress was revelatory at the time of its publication,
the years have rushed by enough that it’s a challenge to make it fresh,
added Minear, who is best known for writing for the TV series The X-Files,
Angel and Firefly. "It’s interesting," he said. "That book is very old.
And it feels like it’s been cannibalized by so many other films and books
and comics or whatever. So it’s interesting. It is an original piece, but
some of those things in the story feel derivative. But they’re really derivative
of itself. So, yeah, it was a bit of a challenge to make sure they still
seem fresh and not like you were ripping off Hal from 2001 or something."
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Article: 24311
From: Dean White"
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:50:19 -0600
Subject: Re: TMIAHM
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"John Tilden" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:41f10571.0@news.sff.net...
> Hmmmm....
>
> Minear said. "It’s interesting. I kept a lot more from the book than
> people
> may have expected. The light marriages are still there. The free trade
> with
> Earth is still there. The catapult is still there. And, you know, it’s not
> a silly arm on a fulcrum or something. The idea is this sort of ferris
> wheel
> thing that takes it up over the gravity well and drops to Earth.
I hope this is an early Aprils Fool joke.
A ferris wheel as a catapult throwing multi-ton rocks from the Moon to the
Earth, excuse me dropping them on Earth, oh my poor aching head.
--
www.DeanWhite.net
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Article: 24312
From: cdozo
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:53:31 -0600
Subject: Blast from the Past!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
So I was at the Austin Blood bank yesterday donating
platelets, and a guy came up to me and introduced
himself. I recognized his name instantly. It was Kevin
McGillicuddy, who used to post on the Heinlein Forum
back in the old Prodigy days!
He seems to be doing well. He said that he had lost
track of the HF when he switched computers. I told him
how to find it here. Hopefully he'll look us up.
He was there doing pheresis as well. He's donated over
33 gallons! Wow! I just crossed three gallons
yesterday. I have a ways to go to catch up with him!
Carol
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Article: 24313
From: Mitch Wagner
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:48:17 -0800
Subject: Re: TMIAHM
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <41f10878.0@news.sff.net>, noone@nowhere.com says...
> "John Tilden" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message=20
> news:41f10571.0@news.sff.net...
> > Hmmmm....
> >
>=20
> > Minear said. "It?s interesting. I kept a lot more from the book than=20
> > people
> > may have expected. The light marriages are still there. The free trade=
=20
> > with
> > Earth is still there. The catapult is still there. And, you know, it?s =
not
> > a silly arm on a fulcrum or something. The idea is this sort of ferris=
=20
> > wheel
> > thing that takes it up over the gravity well and drops to Earth.
>=20
> I hope this is an early Aprils Fool joke.
>=20
> A ferris wheel as a catapult throwing multi-ton rocks from the Moon to th=
e=20
> Earth, excuse me dropping them on Earth, oh my poor aching head.
I think some stuff was lost in translation in that article.=20
For instance, the article talks about "light marriages," when of course=20
Minear probably said "line marriages," because that's what's in the=20
novel.
Mitch Wagner
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Article: 24314
From: JT
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:31:40 -0500
Subject: Re: TMIAHM
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The original article is at:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=3&id=30224
That's not where I copied the text I started with, actually got that
from a Buffy website, but the "light marriage" text was there. So you
can truly blame SciFi.com and not the fanboy that copied it to
buffy.nu. ;)
JT
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:48:17 -0800, Mitch Wagner <mitch@wagmail.com>
wrote:
>I think some stuff was lost in translation in that article.
>
>For instance, the article talks about "light marriages," when of course
>Minear probably said "line marriages," because that's what's in the
>novel.
>
>Mitch Wagner
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Article: 24315
From: JT
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:34:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Blast from the Past!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:53:31 -0600, cdozo <cadozo@planet-save.com>
wrote:
>It was Kevin
>McGillicuddy, who used to post on the Heinlein Forum
>back in the old Prodigy days!
>
Wonderful! I hope he does pop in. And I'm amazed that you remembered
each other after all these years.
And 3 gallons of platelets? That's nothing to sneeze at. I've only
donated those 3 or 4 times, but I am almost to 7 gallons of whole
blood. They do quarterly drives at work, but to do the platelets you
have to go to the main center which is not very convenient for me.
JT
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Article: 24316
From: cdozo
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:02:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Blast from the Past!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My three gallons is a combined total of blood and
platelets. Platelets can be donated every ten days or
so. I was doing them once a month, and changing over
blood donations when I was going to be out of town for
any length of time. Then I took a year off for medical
reasons. Now I'm trying to go every two or three weeks.
Kevin said he wouldn't have recognized me, but he
recognized my name on the sign in sheet. So he knew to
look for me.
Carol
==========
JT wrote:
> And 3 gallons of platelets? That's nothing to sneeze at. I've only
> donated those 3 or 4 times, but I am almost to 7 gallons of whole
> blood. They do quarterly drives at work, but to do the platelets you
> have to go to the main center which is not very convenient for me.
>
> JT
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Article: 24317
From: cdozo
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:51:47 -0600
Subject: RAH Group on Live Journal
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Check out:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/waternest/
"A Group For Heinlein Fans"
Carol
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Article: 24318
From: JT
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:33:33 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH Group on Live Journal
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:51:47 -0600, cdozo <cadozo@planet-save.com>
wrote:
>Check out:
>
>http://www.livejournal.com/community/waternest/
>
>"A Group For Heinlein Fans"
>
>Carol
Just because it's a group blog, people think they can get away without
proofreading their work. Sigh. Too many typos.
JT
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Article: 24319
From: Lorrita Morgan"
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:45:21 -0800
Subject: this looks cool to me
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
http://www.researchbuzz.com/
This is a one stop shop for search engine news and tips.
--
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
`rita
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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Article: 24320
From: JT
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:23:49 -0500
Subject: Re: this looks cool to me
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 19:45:21 -0800, "Lorrita Morgan"
<lorrita_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.researchbuzz.com/
>
>This is a one stop shop for search engine news and tips.
Interesting. At first, I thought "Too Much Information", but reading
-why- she started the site had me nodding. It was the little tiny
corner of my soul that likes library science agreeing with her. ;)
JT
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Article: 24321
From: Filksinger
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:45:27 -0800
Subject: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ninja Wizards!
http://images8.fotki.com/v145/photos/2/23376/93737/mordor-vi.gif
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24322
From: cdozo
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:02:02 -0600
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hee-hee!
Thanks, Carol and my kid Georgie
==========
Filksinger wrote:
> Ninja Wizards!
>
> http://images8.fotki.com/v145/photos/2/23376/93737/mordor-vi.gif
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Article: 24323
From: JT
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:05:15 -0500
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:45:27 -0800, Filksinger
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>Ninja Wizards!
>
>http://images8.fotki.com/v145/photos/2/23376/93737/mordor-vi.gif
Part of that seems familiar, "the bears with laser beams". Is that
from some other movie?
Cute...it's been a long time since I've seen such a long animated gif.
JT
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Article: 24324
From: Filksinger
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:25:09 -0800
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
<snip>
> Part of that seems familiar, "the bears with laser beams". Is that
> from some other movie?
No clue.
> Cute...it's been a long time since I've seen such a long animated gif.
I'm glad you liked it.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24325
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:13:16 -0500
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger: That was cute! LOL.
Ed
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:45:27 -0800, Filksinger
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>Ninja Wizards!
>
>http://images8.fotki.com/v145/photos/2/23376/93737/mordor-vi.gif
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Article: 24326
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:35:11 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH Group on Live Journal
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Carol: I got the impression that quite a few of these so-called
Heinlein fans would not be able to distinguish a work of Heinlein
from 'Mein Kampf' or 'The Thoughts of Mao' or 'Green Eggs and Ham'!
Possibly 90% of what I just read there would not pass the SETI
test for "intelligence" and would therefore be lost in the static.
Their hearts may be in the rights place, but . . .
Ed J
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:51:47 -0600, cdozo <cadozo@planet-save.com>
wrote:
>Check out:
>
>http://www.livejournal.com/community/waternest/
>
>"A Group For Heinlein Fans"
>
>Carol
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Article: 24327
From: Amy.Sheldon@sff.net (Amy Sheldon)
Date: 25 Jan 2005 23:36:16 GMT
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger wrote:
>JT wrote:
>> Part of that seems familiar, "the bears with laser beams". Is that
>> from some other movie?
>No clue.
I think it is from the book report on _How To Kill a Mockingbird_. Lemme
see if I can find it....
Ah. Here it is:
http://www.stanford.edu/~scodary/tkam.htm
--
Amy Sheldon
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Article: 24328
From: Amy.Sheldon@sff.net (Amy Sheldon)
Date: 26 Jan 2005 00:40:18 GMT
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Oh dear. No bears with lasers in _How To Kill a Mockingbird_ - it is the
*pirates* who have lasers. The bears are on fire.
I would have sworn that there were bears with lasers in there.
--
Amy Sheldon
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Article: 24329
From: JT
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:24:51 -0500
Subject: Re: One Does Not Simply Walk Into Mortor
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 25 Jan 2005 23:36:16 GMT, Amy.Sheldon@sff.net (Amy Sheldon) wrote:
>I think it is from the book report on _How To Kill a Mockingbird_. Lemme
>see if I can find it....
>
>Ah. Here it is:
>http://www.stanford.edu/~scodary/tkam.htm
I gotta say, that was so long, I didn't even watch all of it!
JT
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Article: 24330
From: Filksinger
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:36:46 -0800
Subject: Those Who Died For the Dream
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It is that time of year again: in the space of less than a week, the
anniversary of Apollo 1, Challenger, and Columbia.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6871019/
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article: 24331
From: JT
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:00:13 -0500
Subject: Re: ST movie sequel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Being that I am apparently a masochist, I actually watched "Starship
Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation" tonight. Don't worry, I didn't
pay for it, I noticed it was listed in Starz On Demand.
Anyway, this was not a bad ripoff of Alien/Body Snatchers, but it was
not a movie worth 90 minutes of anyone's time.
Ed, you will be glad to know that Heinlein's name appeared nowhere in
the credits. And neither was there any actor who I recognized.
The only redeeming thing about the movie was in the very end blurb
where they usually talk about ASPCA monitoring there was a statement:
"No Animators were harmed in the making of this movie." ;)
Even if you see this in a cutout bin for $.99, avoid it!
JT
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:54:15 -0500, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>JT: Another ST movie! Have they no shame? If they could just
>leave Heinlein's name out of it.
>
>BTW: How much snow did you get in Maryland? I may be looking at
>20 inches of snow depth to remove from my driveway tomorrow, not
>counting drifts . You must have gotten nearly as much.
>
>Ed J (Mt. Holly, NJ)
>
>On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:29:57 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>
>>http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-film.html?2003-02/10/11.15.film
>>
>>12:00pm ET, 10-February-03
>>
>> Troopers Sequel To Shoot
>>
>>A sequel to 1997's Starship Troopers will begin filming in Los Angeles
>>in May, Production Weekly reported. Phil Tippett, who supervised
>>visual effects for the first Starship Troopers, will direct the
>>sequel, the publication reported.
>>
>>Paul Verhoeven helmed the original movie, which was based on Robert
>>Heinlein's classic SF novel. Edward Neumeier will return to script the
>>sequel, about a small group of soldiers who find themselves taking
>>refuge in an abandoned outpost as they attempt to fight the bugs, not
>>realizing that a much graver danger is infiltrating their unit, the
>>publication reported.
>>
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Article: 24332
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:24:04 -0500
Subject: Re: ST movie sequel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT:
I suggested to a friend tonight that an animated ST could
possibly be faithful to the original. He said that with computer
graphics (cgi) this could be very life-like today.
TMIAHM could have buried linear accelerators hurling nickle-iron
'rocks' towards earth instead of huge Ferris wheels transferring
mass for all the world to see (and to bomb!).
If a line marriage can last for over one hundred years, how long
will a light marriage last? I don't think that the quote was a typo.
Ed
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:00:13 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>Being that I am apparently a masochist, I actually watched "Starship
>Troopers 2: Hero of the Federation" tonight. Don't worry, I didn't
>pay for it, I noticed it was listed in Starz On Demand.
>
>Anyway, this was not a bad ripoff of Alien/Body Snatchers, but it was
>not a movie worth 90 minutes of anyone's time.
>
>Ed, you will be glad to know that Heinlein's name appeared nowhere in
>the credits. And neither was there any actor who I recognized.
>
>The only redeeming thing about the movie was in the very end blurb
>where they usually talk about ASPCA monitoring there was a statement:
>"No Animators were harmed in the making of this movie." ;)
>
>Even if you see this in a cutout bin for $.99, avoid it!
>
>JT
>
>
>On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 00:54:15 -0500, Ed Johnson
><eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>
>>JT: Another ST movie! Have they no shame? If they could just
>>leave Heinlein's name out of it.
>>
>>BTW: How much snow did you get in Maryland? I may be looking at
>>20 inches of snow depth to remove from my driveway tomorrow, not
>>counting drifts . You must have gotten nearly as much.
>>
>>Ed J (Mt. Holly, NJ)
>>
>>On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 01:29:57 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-film.html?2003-02/10/11.15.film
>>>
>>>12:00pm ET, 10-February-03
>>>
>>> Troopers Sequel To Shoot
>>>
>>>A sequel to 1997's Starship Troopers will begin filming in Los Angeles
>>>in May, Production Weekly reported. Phil Tippett, who supervised
>>>visual effects for the first Starship Troopers, will direct the
>>>sequel, the publication reported.
>>>
>>>Paul Verhoeven helmed the original movie, which was based on Robert
>>>Heinlein's classic SF novel. Edward Neumeier will return to script the
>>>sequel, about a small group of soldiers who find themselves taking
>>>refuge in an abandoned outpost as they attempt to fight the bugs, not
>>>realizing that a much graver danger is infiltrating their unit, the
>>>publication reported.
>>>
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Article: 24333
From: JT
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:17:09 -0500
Subject: Thanks to the 2005 Patrons!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I finally updated the Patrons page. It is now correct for those that
gave money this year. Thanks to you all.
I will probably look into alternate web hosting this year mid-year to
give time for a referral page link from SFF Net, but we will
definitely be keeping a Mail/News account in the name of the HF here.
The service is too good (and needed for the genre) to not support them
for what we really use!
JT
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Article: 24334
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 22:26:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Ray Charles
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Wendy:
The news this morning reported the passing of Max Schmeling, the
boxer from the 1930's who eventually lost the Heavyweight title to
Joe Louis. Age 99.
Ed J
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Article: 24335
From: Fader
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:22:00 -0500
Subject: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ok, after much computer trouble ( new computer, learning XP pro,
making it all work with SBCYahoo, the wonderfullness of XP SP2, & Free
Agent asking for info that I didn't know { I have a SMPT?, I must have
misplaced it} ) I seem to have it working for the moment. Some things
are not working, web links for instance, they are a different color,
but don't do anything. (sigh) I'm sure I'll figure it all out
eventually. Of course that's not why you should care tho.
I did skim ( & lightly at that) at the posts from the last month or
so. Didn't seem really to be that much, but would like to comment here
& there. JT, sorry about the lack of funding, you should have e-mailed
me, not being around I forgot about being a patron, sorry. ( I like
being a patron) Wish to add a death notice to the list, & while not
being a SciFi personage, was very important to me, & without who there
would probably be no Food Network, Julia Child who I will definetely
miss. Also I'll mention that we ( BC, Patricia, Beth & I) did get
together with Les,JohnPaul, Jack & Ginny on their way to the east
coast, Had a wonderful time & gave Les her biannual meatball fix.
Of course, this too is not why you should care.
As I mentioned somewhat earlier last year, I will be 50 this year.
Also there hasn't been a real gathering in quite some time. So I would
like to host a Fader's 50th Birthday/HF Gathering sometime this coming
year. Which is why you should care. ( I hope) I know it's early, but I
know this bunch, it's never too early.
So let's through around some dates & stuff (like who might come) & go
from there.
Nice to be back,
Fader
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Article: 24336
From: JT
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:22:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 09:22:00 -0500, Fader
<fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>As I mentioned somewhat earlier last year, I will be 50 this year.
>Also there hasn't been a real gathering in quite some time. So I would
>like to host a Fader's 50th Birthday/HF Gathering sometime this coming
>year. Which is why you should care. ( I hope) I know it's early, but I
>know this bunch, it's never too early.
>
>So let's through around some dates & stuff (like who might come) & go
>from there.
>
>Nice to be back,
>Fader
Nice to see you again, Fader! I have a better idea for my commitments
for the year. I don't know that the whole family will be able to get
to Indy for a Gathering, but I can tell you that I'm definitely going
to be travelling for the fraternity sometime in June. I will be busy
for the weekend, but I will definitely be allowing enough time to see
the Indy contingent, either before or after my commitments--whether or
not it coincides with the rest of the HF. ;)
They are thinking the third weekend, but absolutely nothing is set
yet. I've got two brithday celebrations in June already so it's going
to be a packed month!
JT
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Article: 24337
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:32:33 -0800
Subject: Heinlein Society panels, Chicago area
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
We'll be attending a conference in the mid-west this week. The
convention is in Arlington Heights, Illinois, just north of Chicago,
known as Capricon. See. http://www.capricon.org/capricon25/index.html
The panels we will have something to do with are on Saturday, February
12th (Lincoln's Birthday):
SATURDAY 1:00 p.m., CC 4
Childrens Programming. Introduction to SF Juveniles: the fiction of
Robert Heinlein. Heinlein Society President David Silver leads a
discussion of his favorite kids books--the ever popular juveniles of SF
master R.A. Heinlein. Panelist: D. Silver, C. Coffin
SATURDAY 4:00 p.m., Lake Michigan
The Heinlein Society and the Influence of SF on Space Flight and
Explorations--View the unique tape of a news program of July 20, 1969,
occurring before, during and after Neil Armstrongs moon walk, with
commentary by Walter Cronkite Robert Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, and
Kurt Vonnegut. Following the video, panelists will discuss the past
and continuing influence of SF on space flight and exploration.
Panelists: D. Silver, C. Coffin, J. Hogan.
Charles Coffin, with his wife, was a long time friend of Ginny and
Robert Heinlein. James Hogan, the well-known SF writer, is Capricon's
guest of honor this year, and wrote a very nice tribute to the
Heinleins, making them characters integral to the plot in one of the
early trilogy of his "Giants" series. See,
http://www.capricon.org/capricon25/hogan.html
We're very proud that Mr. Hogan, as many recent GOHs at conventions
we've attended, has honored us by joining our panel.
The convention is Capricon 25, held February 10 - 13, at the Sheraton
Chicago Northwest, 3400 West Euclid Ave, Arlington Heights, IL 60005,
(847) 394-2000. This is a blood drive. Give me a call through the hotel,
if you wish, to let me know if you'll be stopping by. Leave a message if
I'm out of the room. I'll be checking in the night of Wednesday,
February 9th, and checking out before noon on Sunday, the 13th.
I'll be happy to hear from you whether you're a Heinlein Society member,
or not (and I'll be able to take care of membership for you if I catch
you in a weak moment).
Sincerely yours,
David M. Silver
President and Chairman
The Heinlein Society
PO Box 1254
Venice, CA 90294-1254
USA
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29 (1907-88)
Lt.(jg), USN Retired
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt.(jg), USN, R'td
------------------------------------------------------------
Article: 24338
From: William Keaton"
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:10:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Fader" <fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net> wrote
> Of course, this too is not why you should care.
But it is interesting!
> As I mentioned somewhat earlier last year, I will be 50 this year.
Yes indeed!
> Also there hasn't been a real gathering in quite some time. So I would
> like to host a Fader's 50th Birthday/HF Gathering sometime this coming
> year. Which is why you should care.
Darn Right!
> So let's through around some dates & stuff (like who might come) & go
> from there.
I am flexible this summer. If JT has a weekend in mind, let's discuss it.
The only committment I have is the WorldCon and I plan to leave town the end
of July.
> Nice to be back,
Nice to have you back.
> Fader
WJaKe
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Article: 24339
From: JT
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 20:27:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society panels, Chicago area
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:32:33 -0800, "David M. Silver"
<ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>master R.A. Heinlein. Panelist: D. Silver, C. Coffin
>
Well, I'll be hornswoggled. Please give our regards to Doc Coffin and
tell him he's welcome to call home anytime, Mama doesn't even remember
what the fight was about anymore. ;)
Seriously, glad he's involved and hope he pops in sometime here as
schedule permits!
JT
------------------------------------------------------------
Article: 24340
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:05:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society panels, Chicago area
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David:
LtC. Charles "Doc Obi-wan" Coffin needs no introduction to most
of the older cobbers here on the Heinlein Forum <g>. I believe that
Doc first posted back in May of 1992 on the old Prodigy HF. His
pithy comments are missed here by those of us that know him.
I wish you well on your panel discussion of the works of
Heinlein.
Ed J
On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:32:33 -0800, "David M. Silver"
<ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>We'll be attending a conference in the mid-west this week. The
>convention is in Arlington Heights, Illinois, just north of Chicago,
>known as Capricon. See. http://www.capricon.org/capricon25/index.html
>
>The panels we will have something to do with are on Saturday, February
>12th (Lincoln's Birthday):
>
>SATURDAY 1:00 p.m., CC 4
>Childrens Programming. Introduction to SF Juveniles: the fiction of
>Robert Heinlein. Heinlein Society President David Silver leads a
>discussion of his favorite kids books--the ever popular juveniles of SF
>master R.A. Heinlein. Panelist: D. Silver, C. Coffin
>
>SATURDAY 4:00 p.m., Lake Michigan
>The Heinlein Society and the Influence of SF on Space Flight and
>Explorations--View the unique tape of a news program of July 20, 1969,
>occurring before, during and after Neil Armstrongs moon walk, with
>commentary by Walter Cronkite Robert Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, and
>Kurt Vonnegut. Following the video, panelists will discuss the past
>and continuing influence of SF on space flight and exploration.
>Panelists: D. Silver, C. Coffin, J. Hogan.
>
>Charles Coffin, with his wife, was a long time friend of Ginny and
>Robert Heinlein. James Hogan, the well-known SF writer, is Capricon's
>guest of honor this year, and wrote a very nice tribute to the
>Heinleins, making them characters integral to the plot in one of the
>early trilogy of his "Giants" series. See,
>http://www.capricon.org/capricon25/hogan.html
>
>We're very proud that Mr. Hogan, as many recent GOHs at conventions
>we've attended, has honored us by joining our panel.
>
>The convention is Capricon 25, held February 10 - 13, at the Sheraton
>Chicago Northwest, 3400 West Euclid Ave, Arlington Heights, IL 60005,
>(847) 394-2000. This is a blood drive. Give me a call through the hotel,
>if you wish, to let me know if you'll be stopping by. Leave a message if
>I'm out of the room. I'll be checking in the night of Wednesday,
>February 9th, and checking out before noon on Sunday, the 13th.
>
>I'll be happy to hear from you whether you're a Heinlein Society member,
>or not (and I'll be able to take care of membership for you if I catch
>you in a weak moment).
>
>Sincerely yours,
>
>
>David M. Silver
>President and Chairman
>The Heinlein Society
>PO Box 1254
>Venice, CA 90294-1254
>USA
>"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
> Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29 (1907-88)
> Lt.(jg), USN Retired
------------------------------------------------------------
Article: 24341
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 23:59:13 -0800
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society panels, Chicago area
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <ekpi01he6p017l2tvl2v2pmubf9ujfcrfc@4ax.com>,
JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:32:33 -0800, "David M. Silver"
> <ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
> >master R.A. Heinlein. Panelist: D. Silver, C. Coffin
> >
> Well, I'll be hornswoggled. Please give our regards to Doc Coffin and
> tell him he's welcome to call home anytime, Mama doesn't even remember
> what the fight was about anymore. ;)
>
> Seriously, glad he's involved and hope he pops in sometime here as
> schedule permits!
>
> JT
I will, JT. Glad you're happy he's involved.
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt.(jg), USN, R'td
------------------------------------------------------------
Article: 24342
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 00:07:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society panels, Chicago area
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <ee2j01l86d3l59998odkp24e3odtpst769@4ax.com>,
Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
> David:
> LtC. Charles "Doc Obi-wan" Coffin needs no introduction to most
> of the older cobbers here on the Heinlein Forum <g>. I believe that
> Doc first posted back in May of 1992 on the old Prodigy HF. His
> pithy comments are missed here by those of us that know him.
> I wish you well on your panel discussion of the works of
> Heinlein.
>
> Ed J
>
Thanks, Ed. Doc was still popping in occasionally here when I first
wandered by. But, yes, I'm very happy to give you news of him. Yoji
Kondo suggested him for the moonwalk interview panel when I asked for
people in the midwest Yoji would recommend to sit in. Doc was happy to
oblige. I'm looking forward to sitting down for a wee sip or two and
telling "war-stories" to each other about the Army. I was out by the
time Doc got in. "In my day, back when we 'had the guns' ... " [old
anti-aircraft artilleryman's tall tale usually follows that one]. I'll
have to use, "In my day, back when we used the M-14 ... ."
>
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 16:32:33 -0800, "David M. Silver"
> <ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >We'll be attending a conference in the mid-west this week. The
> >convention is in Arlington Heights, Illinois, just north of Chicago,
> >known as Capricon. See. http://www.capricon.org/capricon25/index.html
> >
> >The panels we will have something to do with are on Saturday, February
> >12th (Lincoln's Birthday):
> >
> >SATURDAY 1:00 p.m., CC 4
> >Childrens Programming. Introduction to SF Juveniles: the fiction of
> >Robert Heinlein. Heinlein Society President David Silver leads a
> >discussion of his favorite kids books--the ever popular juveniles of SF
> >master R.A. Heinlein. Panelist: D. Silver, C. Coffin
> >
> >SATURDAY 4:00 p.m., Lake Michigan
> >The Heinlein Society and the Influence of SF on Space Flight and
> >Explorations--View the unique tape of a news program of July 20, 1969,
> >occurring before, during and after Neil Armstrongs moon walk, with
> >commentary by Walter Cronkite Robert Heinlein, Arthur C. Clarke, and
> >Kurt Vonnegut. Following the video, panelists will discuss the past
> >and continuing influence of SF on space flight and exploration.
> >Panelists: D. Silver, C. Coffin, J. Hogan.
> >
> >Charles Coffin, with his wife, was a long time friend of Ginny and
> >Robert Heinlein. James Hogan, the well-known SF writer, is Capricon's
> >guest of honor this year, and wrote a very nice tribute to the
> >Heinleins, making them characters integral to the plot in one of the
> >early trilogy of his "Giants" series. See,
> >http://www.capricon.org/capricon25/hogan.html
> >
> >We're very proud that Mr. Hogan, as many recent GOHs at conventions
> >we've attended, has honored us by joining our panel.
> >
> >The convention is Capricon 25, held February 10 - 13, at the Sheraton
> >Chicago Northwest, 3400 West Euclid Ave, Arlington Heights, IL 60005,
> >(847) 394-2000. This is a blood drive. Give me a call through the hotel,
> >if you wish, to let me know if you'll be stopping by. Leave a message if
> >I'm out of the room. I'll be checking in the night of Wednesday,
> >February 9th, and checking out before noon on Sunday, the 13th.
> >
> >I'll be happy to hear from you whether you're a Heinlein Society member,
> >or not (and I'll be able to take care of membership for you if I catch
> >you in a weak moment).
> >
> >Sincerely yours,
> >
> >
> >David M. Silver
> >President and Chairman
> >The Heinlein Society
> >PO Box 1254
> >Venice, CA 90294-1254
> >USA
> >"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
> > Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29 (1907-88)
> > Lt.(jg), USN Retired
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt.(jg), USN, R'td
------------------------------------------------------------
Article: 24343
From: Fader
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:08:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:10:54 -0500, "William Keaton"
Hey, JT, I seem to remember something about Indy in Jan. the last time
we spoke?
Anyhoo, June is fine if a consensus can be reached, & since the other
respondent, so far says OK too, then so far it looks like a bet. Let's
wait abit to see if others chime in tho, since the more the merrier.
WJaKe, which con? I'm pretty sure there are some cons in Indy over the
summer too, I'll see if I can find out what's shakin'.
For general info: I have a spare room & plenty of floor space, ditto
for BC (though obviously I can't offer that), got a yard suitable for
tenting, if that's your bent (& it's hasn't rained too hard) or a RV
(you know who you are) & there's something like 6 or 8 motels/hotels
literally around the corner.
All are invited, if you more info feel free to ask or e-mail.
Times a wasting,
Fader
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Article: 24344
From: JT
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:56:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 04:08:05 -0500, Fader
<fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Hey, JT, I seem to remember something about Indy in Jan. the last time
>we spoke?
Well, it was actually Florida in Feb., I just got back. ;) I might
not have known exactly where the meeting was back then.
>Anyhoo, June is fine if a consensus can be reached, & since the other
>respondent, so far says OK too, then so far it looks like a bet. Let's
>wait abit to see if others chime in tho, since the more the merrier.
When I come in, I'll probably come in on a Thursday so we can have a
full day to hang out. Maybe earlier, but not sure, depends on how the
rest of the people coming "shake out".
I'll know more when they actually set the date for my meeting, which
will likely be next month.
JT
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Article: 24345
From: William Keaton"
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:32:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Fader" <fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
> WJaKe, which con? I'm pretty sure there are some cons in Indy over the
> summer too, I'll see if I can find out what's shakin'.
Which Con? The WorldCon in Scotland of course!
Want to try me me some of that horeback riding I heard so much about,
dontyaknow!
WJaKe
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Article: 24346
From: Fader
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 08:48:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's back ( & why you should care)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:32:15 -0500, "William Keaton"
Horeback riding, That was one of the things when I first was on the
HF, a looong time ago (chorus from Long & Winding road). Anyhoo, I
understand that bareback horeriding is even more fun, but less than
safe.
Fader
>
>Which Con? The WorldCon in Scotland of course!
>
>Want to try me me some of that horeback riding I heard so much about,
>dontyaknow!
>
>WJaKe
>
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Article: 24347
From: JT
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:35:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Sorta Personal: Dieting
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:05:15 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
>Anyway, I'm just going to try and not think about it for the next
>almost two weeks, and we'll see how I do.
>
>JT
>
So, I've been going to the gym, although not as regularly as I'd
hoped, and sticking to the Diet fairly well.
I've lost about 19 pounds so far, so I'm pretty happy. ;)
JT
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