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Article 24229
From: Filksinger
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:34:08 -0800
Subject: Re: TANSTAAFL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David Wright Sr. wrote:
> Filksinger <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in news:41b921ae.0
> @news.sff.net:
>
>
>>>I heard it as 'tahns-tahffel'
>>
>>I don't remember not knowing what it was, but I always pronounce it in
>>my head as tan-staff-el. Tan and staff as the words, "el" as the name of
>>the letter L, or "hell" without the "h".
>>
>>
>
>
> I guess I was influenced by German, hence the 'ah' instead of the 'a' sound
> as in 'tan' or 'bat' and the emphasis on the first syllable thus making
> 'el' the schwa sound, sort of an 'uhl'.
After "listening" more closely, I agree on the 'uhl', but the "tan" and
"staff" definitely sound that way in my head. So, I'd be tan-staff-uhl.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 24230
From: David Wright Sr."
Date: 12 Dec 2004 03:16:54 GMT
Subject: Re: TANSTAAFL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in news:41bb91f9.0
@news.sff.net:
>
> After "listening" more closely, I agree on the 'uhl', but the "tan" and
> "staff" definitely sound that way in my head. So, I'd be tan-staff-uhl.
>
How you hear things depends on a lot of factors, your native language, your
regional and other dialectical influences as well as TV radio etc. I'm not
at all surprised that you 'hear' it differently than I do.
On the same subject, I have always heard 'grok' in mind rhymed with
'broke' rather than 'grahk' as rhymed with 'clock' which would be the
normal pronunciation for an American English speaker. I think that I
unconsciously rejected the 'normal' pronunciation because it was supposed
to be a non-earthly sound. I was also surprised when I found no one else
who pronounced it like I do.
--
David Wright
If you haven't joined the Society, Why Not?
The Heinlein Estate is matching new member
registrations before 12/30/2004. Make
your new membership count twice
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Article 24231
From: Catherine Hampton
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:04:15 -0800
Subject: Re: "An armed society . . . .
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:13:18 +0000, "Mitch Wagner" <mitch@wagmail.com>
wrote:
>I knew a guy who worked on an oil rig one summer. He said all the men
>were armed all the time---handguns, knives, knucks, etc. They were, he
>said, rude pigs.
But were they hunters? <G> Not everyone that carries a weapon (concealed
or not) hunts, especially in the middle of the country.
--
Ariel (aka Catherine Hampton) <ariel@tempest.boxmail.com>
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Article 24232
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:38:39 -0500
Subject: Re: First Snow in Minnesota
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: Don't go all mystical on me <g>. It was just a suggestion to
hopefully bring in some lurkers.
The artist formerly know as Bill in Mpls: Welcome back! It is good
to see your pixels again. It has been nearly ten years since you
posted an e-mail to JT on the Forum; listing current 'active' HF
posters. If you recall ;-)
Has anyone heard from Mannie? Was he living in Alaska or am I
mistaking him for someone else? David McGraw
Ed J
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 18:06:24 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>On 9 Dec 2004 09:13:44 GMT, wdailey611@aol.com wrote:
>
>>And the same to all of you on the Heinlein Forum (well, except the birthday.
>> That's for Deb). I haven't been active on this forum for a few years,
>>but I was one of the earliest back in the early 90s on Prodigy. Maybe some
>>of the old-timers will remember.
>>
>>Bill (formerly in MN, now in KC)
>
>
>Hi Bill! I guess Ed's magic chant worked, 'cause we got you to come
>back and post something. ;) Hope you stay around a while this time.
>
>JT
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Article 24233
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:48:37 -0500
Subject: Re: "An armed society . . . .
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
If you yourself are not armed, do not expect the 'other guy' to be
polite whether or not He is armed.
Ed J
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 08:42:57 -0500, Charles Graft
<chasgraft@aol.com> wrote:
>A paragraph for the Stephen Chapman column dated 11/28/2004
>in Conservative Chronicle 12/8/2004
>Believed to be fair use
>
>The column is about hunters.
>
>"Another is that they have learned the basics of hunting etiquette in
>know how to handle disputes in a
>peaceable manner.
>The presence of guns has a tendency to promote politeness. When hunters
>come
>across other hunters, the "in your face" approach is not usually the
>preferred one."
>----------------------------
>"The presence of guns has a tendency to promote politeness." Hmmm.
>Seems to me I've heard that
>somewhere before.
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Article 24234
From: JT
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:47:02 -0500
Subject: PGP
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, I got an email out of the blue from pgp.com saying that they
were transferring my old key to their new keyserver
keyserver-beta.pgp.com , asking me to verify it.
Unfortunately, I lost the private key to that pair years ago in a hard
drive crash, and the old system had no way to recall a key. I do have
a newer key, though, and uploaded that successfully after I "denied"
the older key. (And yes, I have the newer keypair backed up in about 4
places now!)
I don't think I've actually sent or received an encrypted message in
years, though. I don't think bytor has time to be paranoid anymore.
;)
I looked through my old keypair and was amazed at how out-of-date it
was. The only one who still had the same email address is BC, and
there's a few people I barely remember!
Anyone out there currently paying for PGP or some other certificate
service to use encrypted/signed mail? It's certainly an idea on the
verge, but it's been that way for a few years already....
JT
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Article 24235
From: JT
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:12:05 -0500
Subject: If it's December, it must be time to renew the HF.... ;)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My credit card has once again been charged for the "HF" membership to
SFF Net.
To recap:
We buy a membership in the name of the HF. This gives a little
webspace ( http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ ) to host a FAQ and some
pictures of the group. Also, even though SFF Net is gracious enough
to allow public access to its news server, we help to defray the costs
of that access through our joint membership. TANSTAAFNewsServer ;) .
So, the basic membership is $99.50 rounded to $100. I welcome
'pledges' to cover this cost. Minimum pledge $5, max pledge $95 (I
reserve one share for myself. <G>). Pledges are accepted by
timestamp, if you don't need to contribute the full amount you've
pledged because I've met the cost I'll tell you.
Patrons of the HF get a recognition on the website and a link to any
private or small-business website you might wish to link to.
Please EMAIL me at J T @ s f f . n e t with your pledge. (Private
replies to this post will bounce due to the way I have the header set
up.) Checks in US Funds mailed to me, I'll send you my address when I
get the pledge. It hasn't changed in the last few years so if you had
it from last year it's still the same one.
If you pledge this year, make an effort to get the check in the mail
right away (and I'll try to cash them quickly-- it's easier now that
our bank has a branch less than a half-mile away now. ;)
We're been here on SFF Net since 1/1997--it's hard to believe. The HF
has been continuously posting since 11/91 variously on Prodigy, GEnie,
AOL, and here.
Thanks for being my cobbers for all this time!
JT
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Article 24236
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:33:35 -0500
Subject: Re: If it's December, it must be time to renew the HF.... ;)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: What was that official title you held when you were our
fearless leader for a while on Prodigy? Den Mother? <G,D&R>
I mean: Group Leader or something?
Put me down for ten dollars (leave room for other people to get
their names on the Heinlein Good Guy (M/F) list.
Ed J
We should ask Audrey if Bobby (a.k.a.: "Bob") could give us a
quick visit and bring us up to date with his studies. We have
'watched' him practically grow up here on the Forum.
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:12:05 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>My credit card has once again been charged for the "HF" membership to
>SFF Net.
>
>To recap:
>We buy a membership in the name of the HF. This gives a little
>webspace ( http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ ) to host a FAQ and some
>pictures of the group. Also, even though SFF Net is gracious enough
>to allow public access to its news server, we help to defray the costs
>of that access through our joint membership. TANSTAAFNewsServer ;) .
>
>So, the basic membership is $99.50 rounded to $100. I welcome
>'pledges' to cover this cost. Minimum pledge $5, max pledge $95 (I
>reserve one share for myself. <G>). Pledges are accepted by
>timestamp, if you don't need to contribute the full amount you've
>pledged because I've met the cost I'll tell you.
>
>Patrons of the HF get a recognition on the website and a link to any
>private or small-business website you might wish to link to.
>
>Please EMAIL me at J T @ s f f . n e t with your pledge. (Private
>replies to this post will bounce due to the way I have the header set
>up.) Checks in US Funds mailed to me, I'll send you my address when I
>get the pledge. It hasn't changed in the last few years so if you had
>it from last year it's still the same one.
>
> If you pledge this year, make an effort to get the check in the mail
>right away (and I'll try to cash them quickly-- it's easier now that
>our bank has a branch less than a half-mile away now. ;)
>
>We're been here on SFF Net since 1/1997--it's hard to believe. The HF
>has been continuously posting since 11/91 variously on Prodigy, GEnie,
>AOL, and here.
>
>Thanks for being my cobbers for all this time!
>
>JT
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Article 24237
From: Bill in KC
Date: 16 Dec 2004 08:13:03 GMT
Subject: Re: First Snow in Minnesota
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi Ed and JT,
Yeah, it's been a while, hasn't it? Part of the problem was hardware: I
still had my old 386 from 1990 with no CD drive. Prodigy just left me behind
when they cancelled Prodigy Classic. Well, after much procrastination I
finally bought a new computer in '02. Deb told me how to find you guys
in your current location. But I just kind of fell behind and fell away.
I can't promise to be a regular again, but I'll stop in from time to time.
It's nice to see some of the folks that I've met at the Reel 'n' Trigger
in Warsaw, MO and at MLinOR's place in Eugene, OR.
Bill in KC
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Article 24238
From: JT
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 16:46:57 -0500
Subject: Re: If it's December, it must be time to renew the HF.... ;)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:33:35 -0500, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>JT: What was that official title you held when you were our
>fearless leader for a while on Prodigy? Den Mother? <G,D&R>
> I mean: Group Leader or something?
The job title was actually "Bulletin Board Leader". Before that I was
a volunteer "MemRep" (Member Representative).
That was such a demoralizing job because %P squandered the lead they
had in community development over the other major online services.
My first month as BL we had over 30,000 posts and by the time I got
disgusted about 11 months later it was under 10,000 if I remember
correctly.
JT
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Article 24239
From: Filksinger
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:54:37 -0800
Subject: Bread and Circuses (Or, Washington Gubernatorial Vote Counting)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well,
The hand vote was run, and Dino Rossi is still under 100 votes ahead of
Christine Gregoire. All but three counties, including King County, have
announced their hand-counted results, but King County is A) Gregoire
territory, and B) nearly a third of the population of Washington state,
so this still isn't settled by any means.
For more fun, King County found 573 votes that were improperly rejected
a few days ago, and the Republicans immediately sued to ensure that they
were not counted. Note that the question isn't about changing the rules
after the fact, like deciding that "pregnant chads" suddenly count when
they didn't before. These votes were rejected because of errors on the
part of the people handling these votes, and were perfectly good under
the old rules.
Yesterday, it was realized that the 573 votes that the bins' labels say
they should have had were 12 short. They also wondered why the
improperly rejected ballots didn't include any where the voter's name
started with A or B, and only two that stated with C. So, they went
looking again, and found a misplaced container of 150 additional missing
votes, as well as the 12 they were missing from the previous bins.
Today, a judge decided that these votes, all completely legal and proper
by the current laws, cannot be counted, because they weren't counted the
first time. The Democrats and King County are taking the case to the
State Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, the former Secretary of State (in charge of elections in the
state for 20 years), a Republican, is suggesting that it would be better
to have a new election than to continue with the courts. The current
Secretary of State (also Republican), and the state head of the GOP are
suggesting that they might want to go with that idea. Democrats,
however, are complaining that the only reason the Republicans are
suggesting a new election is that they are worried that they will lose
in the Supreme Court, and want yet another shot at winning if that happens.
Frankly, much as I hate to join in this sort of thing at all, I side
with the Supreme Court in the 2000 election, because the election
officials were changing the rules as to whether or not certain votes
counted. That is improper after the election. However, I disagree with
this court decision, because these votes are all proper votes that
election officials improperly sorted into the "unacceptable" bin.
Counting them is not changing the rules, it is correcting a clear mistake.
However, what I _really_ recommend is that Dino Rossi and Christine
Gregoire select the top 10 people from each of their camps, and lead a
fight to settle the matter. For weapons, I recommend fully loaded
fifty-round compressed air dart guns with curare darts at 10 paces.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 24240
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:50:52 -0800
Subject: Re: Bread and Circuses (Or, Washington Gubernatorial Vote Counting)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <41c3e238.0@news.sff.net>,
Filksinger <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
> Well,
>
[ ... snip fun and games in the Washington State gubernatorial ballot
counting.[
> Frankly, much as I hate to join in this sort of thing at all, I side
> with the Supreme Court in the 2000 election, because the election
> officials were changing the rules as to whether or not certain votes
> counted. That is improper after the election. However, I disagree with
> this court decision, because these votes are all proper votes that
> election officials improperly sorted into the "unacceptable" bin.
> Counting them is not changing the rules, it is correcting a clear mistake.
>
[ ... snip hilarious suggested solution -- the only amendment I'd
suggest is that the ten from each side be restricted to lawyers only --
that might cut down quickly on the challenges and complications, and
result in a quick compromise solution]
You'd probably 'enjoy' reading about the fun and games now going on
concerning the San Diego mayoral count, now, too, David. A little
screwier, maybe, as it involves a "write-in" candidate who seems to have
actually won the contest, but a case where clear intent of the voter may
be trumped by a failure to anticipate a problem and overly rigid
imposition of superfluous "rules." That one likely will head to the
state supreme court soon, too.
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt.(jg), USN, R'td
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Article 24241
From: JT
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 11:34:04 -0500
Subject: Re: If it's December, it must be time to renew the HF.... ;)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:12:05 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>My credit card has once again been charged for the "HF" membership to
>SFF Net.
>
Thanks to those who have pledged so far. There is plenty of room for
more donations. I will likely close the "window for donations" at
something like 1/3.
But if you are interested in being a patron, please let me know as
soon as possible.
JT
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