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Article 23857
From: John Paul Vrolyk 
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:55:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement, etc..
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger wrote:
> Congratulations! Welcome to the madhouse.:)

Thanks to everyone for the good wishes.

Note, however, I'm not a citizen yet; I've just
submitted the application.  It'll probably be a
year, or even more, before I complete the process.

-- 
John Paul Vrolyk
jp@vrolyk.org

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Article 23858
From: JT 
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:51:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Announcement, etc..
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:55:11 -0700, John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org>
wrote:

>Note, however, I'm not a citizen yet; I've just
>submitted the application.  It'll probably be a
>year, or even more, before I complete the process.

That's OK, it's like posting the banns.  You're already declared your
intent, the rest is just formalities until they let you take the oath
for real.

It's funny, I realized the other day now that I'm 35 I could actually
_be_ President--I now meet all the requirements.  At least you'll
never have that kind of pressure. ;)

JT

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Article 23859
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:30:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Star Wars DVDs.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>I dunno, Deb, I think I've gotta say that the 'real' version is what
>the director wants.

  No, this isn't like the expanded versions of Lord of the Rings.
Adding scenes is okay (though those added to Star Wars added nothing
of value, and in fact detracted from the pacing, unlike LotR). This is
like the director of "Casablanca" coming back and revising it so that
Ingrid Bergman stays with Rick. The colorizing (like the changed Star
Wars spfx) is merely annoying--changing the actual events and course
of action in the movie is horrendous. Unforgiveable. Villianous.
Ungood. ;-)


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23860
From: Brian E. Scherrer 
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:32:10 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement, etc..
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org> wrotg:

>Filksinger wrote:
>> Congratulations! Welcome to the madhouse.:)
>
>Thanks to everyone for the good wishes.
>
>Note, however, I'm not a citizen yet; I've just
>submitted the application.  It'll probably be a
>year, or even more, before I complete the process.

JP;

  Allow me to add my congrats as well -- you'll surely be a welcome
addition -- though it will in many respects simply formalize what
already is.

Oh yeah...

A hearty greeting to one and all.  And no, you're not hallucinating.
I just spent a bit of time plowing through the last ten or so months'
worth of posts (still a pittance compared to what we once generated,
IIRC).  I'm current.  And tempted to jump in once in awhile.  At least
that's the plan :-)

JT;

How's the eldest?  James frightens me.  I don't remember having been
nearly as verbal, or having absorbed near as much information as he
has at so young an age.  Eli, I think I've got a budding marine
biologist on my hands.  Specializing in either sharks or jellyfish,
most likely.  He can go on at length -- *at length* -- on either
subject.  Or others, though those seem to be his favorites, along with
anything Spider-Man :-)  Between Sea World San Diego only a couple of
miles away, Birch Aquarium just up the road and Scripps literally over
the back fence, opportunities abound.  Swims too.  Fully independent
regardless of depth.  Likes to "hang out" in the water, eyes open,
just looking around.  Turned four yesterday.  I'm afraid.  *Very*
afraid...

Regards all!
  -- Brian

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Article 23861
From: JT 
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:38:23 -0400
Subject: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:32:10 -0700, Brian E. Scherrer
<brianes@cts.com> wrote:

>JT;
>
>How's the eldest? 
Well, we just had a combined birthday party for both of them today, as
David turned two the beginning of the month and Daniel is four at the
end of the month.  It was going to be a pool party, but Charley had
other plans...so we ended up having it in the house.  It hasn't yet
started to rain hard here, but it's good that we changed plans. ;)

As to how Danny is, well, he's a very emotionally sensitive kid, likes
books, and has an ear for music.  So he didn't fall far from his
parents' tree. ;)  We're dealing with a bit of a stutter right now
which seems to be more of an attention phase than anything else, but
otherwise he's a healthy and happy kid.

David is as thin as Danny is stocky, is much more adventurous, and is
making me glad we decided to stop at two kids. ;)  

They both like superheroes (not that Dad had anything to influence
there ;) , doing puzzles, and playing on the computer already.  

I had to cede the oldest desktop to them just so we could isolate
their shortcuts and give them minimal user rights.  Even David has
already gotten into the act and can click through pages like Playhouse
Disney.   Our only concession to their size was a smaller mouse to fit
their hands better (and take away the ability to right-click for
context menus).  I suppose before they hit real school I will have to
set up a Windows "forest" at home so I can lock down every aspect of
their possible behavior on the network.  

Oh yes, and David is already potty-training having followed his older
brother's  example.  I didn't think it was going to happen, but Danny
is fully ready to start his preschool in a few weeks.  I figure in
about six months I might be done with diapers for good! 

A fairly recent picture of me with them is at w w w . t i l d e  n s
dot n e  t .

Glad to see you back Brian, keep us up to date and start a few
arguments, willya? 

JT





 


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Article 23862
From: Brian E. Scherrer 
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:52:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:32:10 -0700, Brian E. Scherrer
><brianes@cts.com> wrote:
>
>>JT;
>>
>>How's the eldest? 
>Well, we just had a combined birthday party for both of them today, as
>David turned two the beginning of the month and Daniel is four at the
>end of the month.  It was going to be a pool party, but Charley had
>other plans...so we ended up having it in the house.  It hasn't yet
>started to rain hard here, but it's good that we changed plans. ;)
>
>As to how Danny is, well, he's a very emotionally sensitive kid, likes
>books, and has an ear for music.  So he didn't fall far from his
>parents' tree. ;)  We're dealing with a bit of a stutter right now
>which seems to be more of an attention phase than anything else, but
>otherwise he's a healthy and happy kid.
>
>David is as thin as Danny is stocky, is much more adventurous, and is
>making me glad we decided to stop at two kids. ;)  
>
>They both like superheroes (not that Dad had anything to influence
>there ;) , doing puzzles, and playing on the computer already.  

Isn't it amazing how quickly they catch on?  We'll set James up in
front of Playhouse Disney and come back to find him doing something
completely different.  I walked in once to find him playing what was
essentially a version of Breakout.  Checked with Mom and found she
knew nothing about it.  He found it and figured out how to play it on
his own.  He can't even *read* fer cryin' out loud -- though it's
amazing how much he's picked up by osmosis.  Freaked us out on
multiple occasions...

>I had to cede the oldest desktop to them just so we could isolate
>their shortcuts and give them minimal user rights.  Even David has
>already gotten into the act and can click through pages like Playhouse
>Disney.   Our only concession to their size was a smaller mouse to fit
>their hands better (and take away the ability to right-click for
>context menus).  I suppose before they hit real school I will have to
>set up a Windows "forest" at home so I can lock down every aspect of
>their possible behavior on the network.  

This is an *excellent* idea.  It would require springing for a copy of
2000/2003 server though.  Still, I've found the granularity of
profiles in XP pro to be sorely lacking.  Turning full-on AD to the
question would do the trick.  And cheap for the peace of mind it would
provide.

>Oh yes, and David is already potty-training having followed his older
>brother's  example.  I didn't think it was going to happen, but Danny
>is fully ready to start his preschool in a few weeks.  I figure in
>about six months I might be done with diapers for good! 

Don't get me started :-)  When a kid's ready, it happens quickly and
painlessly.  When they're not, if you're lucky, the *parents* are
potty trained.  It also has little to nothing to do with intelligence
and development and *everything* to do with temperment.  Just because
Sally Smith was "potty trained" at 18 months' doesn't mean my future
Rhodes Scholar will give a -- er, you know.  When he does -- did -- it
took about 48hrs, followed by (so far) 12 nearly accident free months
to date.  Okay, there were exactly two, within a couple of days of
each other.  Only a month or so ago, oddly enough, and nothing since
<shrug>.  We'll never know.

>A fairly recent picture of me with them is at w w w . t i l d e  n s
>dot n e  t .

Man, that's quite a collection of shirts you've got there.  Helps to
offset the slightly more formal look further up :-)  Seriously, you
all look like you're doing great, even if you do have your hands
full...

>Glad to see you back Brian, keep us up to date and start a few
>arguments, willya? 

I'll see what I can do.  It's an election year, after all :-)

As an aside, I just realized it's my ten-year anniversary!  July 4th
'93 on the *P forum, IIRC.  Where did the time go...?

Regards,
  -- Brian

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Article 23863
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 17 Aug 2004 02:07:02 GMT
Subject: So Where Did You Get Your Ideas, Mr. Heinlein?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

. . .a review of TRAMP ROYALE (a favorite of mine) at hs.org:

http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/tramproyale.html

    Only 2 1/2 weeks to the Heinlein Award Dinner. Have you bought your
tickets yet for you and your immediate family, your extended family, and
that kindly old librarian who handed you your first Heinlein? If she's no
longer with us, I betcha if you buy her a ticket we can still get Pres.
Silver to toast the chair left empty in her honor from the rostrum.

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Article 23864
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:15:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Announcement, etc..
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Another water lover! I shall follow his career with interest. [vbg]

Brian E. Scherrer wrote:

> James frightens me.  I don't remember having been
>nearly as verbal, or having absorbed near as much information as he
>has at so young an age.  Eli, I think I've got a budding marine
>biologist on my hands.  Specializing in either sharks or jellyfish,
>most likely.  He can go on at length -- *at length* -- on either
>subject.  Or others, though those seem to be his favorites, along with
>anything Spider-Man :-)  Between Sea World San Diego only a couple of
>miles away, Birch Aquarium just up the road and Scripps literally over
>the back fence, opportunities abound.  Swims too.  Fully independent
>regardless of depth.  Likes to "hang out" in the water, eyes open,
>just looking around.  Turned four yesterday.  I'm afraid.  *Very*
>afraid...
>  
>

-- 
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca


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Article 23865
From: Brian E. Scherrer 
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:53:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement, etc..
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Eli Hestermann <ehestermann@charter.net> wrote:

>Another water lover! I shall follow his career with interest. [vbg]
>


You and me both, Eli :-)

Regards,
  -- Brian

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Article 23866
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 19 Aug 2004 03:44:19 GMT
Subject: Heinlein's Transnational Governments
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

. . ."Starry-Eyed Internationalists" versus the Social Darwinists. . .by
Rafeeq O. McGiveron. A reprint from the scholarly journal Extrapolation,
a member-benefit of the Science Fiction Research Association.

http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/articles/transnationalgovts.html

Only 2 1/2 weeks to the Heinlein Award Dinner. Have you bought your
tickets yet for you and your immediate family, your extended family, and
that kindly old librarian who handed you your first Heinlein? If she's no
longer with us, I betcha if you buy her a ticket we can still get Pres.
Silver to toast the chair left empty in her honor from the rostrum. 

http://www.heinleinsociety.org/specialoffers/dinnerreservations.html

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Article 23867
From: Lorrita Morgan" 
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:40:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Skye, age 27 months,  is now the proud owner of a venerable Mac II so he
can/will leave Mommy's computer alone.  Grandma doesn't let him do anything
but send Mommy (supervised) email on this computer.

They learn too fast.  Skye is doing the alphabet, simple sentences, counting
past 20.  Blue, Dora, and "Melmo" are his favorites on TV.  His favorite
book for Grandma to read to him is THE POKEY LITTLE PUPPY.  (2, 3, 4 times a
day)

The other one, Josiah is just starting to stand and walk around the
furniture at 10 months.  He likes to eat printed matter.  Today he ripped
and chewed several of his daddy's favorite magazines.  His mommy and I took
them away but he kept finding more.

Glad you're back Brian.  Stir the pot, please.  All the good stuff seems to
have sunk to the bottom.

-- 
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

`rita
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
"Brian E. Scherrer" <brianes@cts.com> wrote in message
news:412148a8.0@news.sff.net...
> JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:32:10 -0700, Brian E. Scherrer
> ><brianes@cts.com> wrote:
> >>I had to cede the oldest desktop to them just so we could isolate
> >their shortcuts and give them minimal user rights.  Even David has
> >already gotten into the act and can click through pages like Playhouse
> >Disney.   Our only concession to their size was a smaller mouse to fit
> >their hands better (and take away the ability to right-click for
> >context menus).  I suppose before they hit real school I will have to
> >set up a Windows "forest" at home so I can lock down every aspect of
> >their possible behavior on the network.
>



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Article 23868
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:36:36 -0700
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Brian E. Scherrer wrote:
<snip>
> Isn't it amazing how quickly they catch on?  We'll set James up in
> front of Playhouse Disney and come back to find him doing something
> completely different.  I walked in once to find him playing what was
> essentially a version of Breakout.  Checked with Mom and found she
> knew nothing about it.  He found it and figured out how to play it on
> his own.  He can't even *read* fer cryin' out loud -- though it's
> amazing how much he's picked up by osmosis.  Freaked us out on
> multiple occasions...

Frightening. My son, who turns 14 on the 29th, taught himself to play chess
when he was about 7, by finding an online vs. computer chess game and trying
moves to see what the game would allow.

It was about the same time that he did his first Windows 98 hack. I told him
how to bypass the Windows 98 desktop password (delete the .pwl library with
the same name as the user name), but not how to cover his tracks (_rename_
the .pwl library with the same name as the user name, then rename it back
when you are done). He decided he wanted what was on my desktop, but didn't
know how to find it, so he deleted my password. I discovered I had no
password, we had a little talk, and he hasn't tried to hack Windows since.:)

I do intend to install a Windows forest myself, like JT suggested. The only
thing stopping me is not the cost of Windows 2000 Server (I have a copy), it
is the fact that we have little money, and Windows 2000 Server would require
taking one of the top four machines in the house, adding more RAM, and
taking it out of service for use by anyone. Two machines have enough, I
think, but I'm not giving up the only two machines
faster than 1 Ghz. This would leave one person on a machine they would find
unacceptable, due to its inability to play Runescape, much less anything
more demanding.

BTW, my daughter adores Runescape, it is free, and suitible for children.
People with kids eight or above might want to check it out. It is a visual
version of the old MUD or MMORG games. My daughter hangs out on World 13
(they have nearly 30 servers, IIRC), as "Ki Ki Nika", or something like
that. There is a pay version, but it isn't necessary to pay to play quite a
bit.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined






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Article 23869
From: cdozo 
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 12:00:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filk

I've bookmarked Runescape in my son's bookmarks. He's seven. He knows to 
look for new things there. So either he'll find it and try to figure it 
out, or we'll do it together soon. Thanks for the tip.

Carol
=======
Filksinger wrote:

> ...I discovered I had no
> password, we had a little talk, and he hasn't tried to hack Windows since.:)

So you think anyway.  :)

>...BTW, my daughter adores Runescape, it is free, and suitible for children.
> People with kids eight or above might want to check it out. It is a visual
> version of the old MUD or MMORG games. My daughter hangs out on World 13
> (they have nearly 30 servers, IIRC), as "Ki Ki Nika", or something like
> that. There is a pay version, but it isn't necessary to pay to play quite a
> bit.
> 


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Article 23870
From: JT 
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 21:43:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:36:36 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

>I do intend to install a Windows forest myself, like JT suggested. The only
>thing stopping me is not the cost of Windows 2000 Server (I have a copy), it
>is the fact that we have little money, and Windows 2000 Server would require
>taking one of the top four machines in the house, adding more RAM, and
>taking it out of service for use by anyone. Two machines have enough, I
>think, but I'm not giving up the only two machines
>faster than 1 Ghz. This would leave one person on a machine they would find
>unacceptable, due to its inability to play Runescape, much less anything
>more demanding.
>
Yeah, that's the big thing stopping me right now, too.  I don't have
another machine for hardware (nor the extra harddrives to back
anything up).  But if I haven't done it by the time they start typing
I'll just get really serious about local security policy. ;)

BTW, anyone been brave enough to put XP SP2 on a live machine yet?  I
did it to my work machine but that's not the same as the one Christine
uses daily. <VBG>

JT


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Article 23871
From: Brian E. Scherrer 
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:33:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Brian!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:

>BTW, anyone been brave enough to put XP SP2 on a live machine yet?  I
>did it to my work machine but that's not the same as the one Christine
>uses daily. <VBG>
>
>JT

In a word, no.  I don't see anything particularly compelling in SP2 if
you're running a well-maintained and well-secured machine -- nothing
compelling enough not to wait a month or two and let the early
adopters sort out the bugs MS didn't find in beta testing :-)

Regards,
  -- Brian

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