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Article 23609
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:21:21 GMT
Subject: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Yesterday was my birthday, I turned 49. This means that next year,
I'll be 50.( possibly the subject was something of a give away for
this) 

Since there was at one point,even money on me making 18, long odds
against 21, (thirty wasn't even a bet) & since it is a Half Century
(sounds so much longer that way somehow) & also since I'm the only one
who's name is actually in a Heinlein story. ( this actually has
nothing to do with it, I just like to remind you periodically)

I would like to hold a Fader's Fiftieth Bash/ HF Gathering. There
hasn't been a gathering for awhile, & I'm fairly sure that I'll only
turn 50 once.

I realize that a year is a little far out,( though for some, just
barely enough time[ you know who you are] ) just thougth I'd mention
it. Doesn't have to be May, ( might be tough for some) could be later
during the summer.

So, any takers?

Fader

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Article 23610
From: cdozo 
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:36:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum



Happy Birthday Fader!  You're about two months older than I am (June,
1955).

Although I've been on the HF since the days of *P, I've never made it
to a gathering. I'd be willing try to get to this one. I'm usually
camping at a music festival from mid-May through Mid-June,  but I may
take next year off to go the Memorial Day celebration in my home town
(in Connecticut).

Carol
======


On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:21:21 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:

>Yesterday was my birthday, I turned 49. This means that next year,
>I'll be 50.( possibly the subject was something of a give away for
>this) 
<snip>
>I would like to hold a Fader's Fiftieth Bash/ HF Gathering. There
>hasn't been a gathering for awhile, & I'm fairly sure that I'll only
>turn 50 once.
>
>I realize that a year is a little far out,( though for some, just
>barely enough time[ you know who you are] ) just thougth I'd mention
>it. Doesn't have to be May, ( might be tough for some) could be later
>during the summer.
>
>So, any takers?
>
>Fader


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Article 23611
From: JT 
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:12:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:21:21 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:

>I realize that a year is a little far out,( though for some, just
>barely enough time[ you know who you are] )

I resemble that remark. ;)  I already know I'm booked the third
weekend of April 2005, but May's probably doable.  What's good for
everyone else?

JT

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Article 23612
From: JT 
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:13:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Fri, 07 May 2004 20:12:45 -0400, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:21:21 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
>wrote:
>
>>I realize that a year is a little far out,( though for some, just
>>barely enough time[ you know who you are] )
>
>I resemble that remark. ;)  I already know I'm booked the third
>weekend of April 2005, but May's probably doable.  What's good for
>everyone else?
>
>JT

And, duh on me, Happy 49th!

JT


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Article 23613
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 09:30:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

>So, any takers?

  Might just be do-able. Many variables, too many for commitment now,
but we're likely to be closer to driving range than we are currently. 

  Be nice to have another Gathering--I've gotten to see several of the
chums in the past few years, BC visited us out here, saw Doc, Linda,
Bill Dailey & Jai in MO/KS, and WJaKe and Nights/Gene at the last
couple Worldcons--but be nice to see a big bunch again. Most we've
seen since the Oregon Gathering was at the LA WorldCon and that's
already eight years ago.

  50 is not looking nearly as old as it used to. Starting to look
downright youngish, actually. ;-)

  Happy 49th.


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23614
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 05:48:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Happy birthday, Fader!

A Gathering up there sounds great. We'd probably combine it with visits 
with my sister (Carmel) and Dani's brother (Greencastle, I think).

A visit in May would be nice, although I'd have to work it around my 
teaching schedule. Early in June would be much easier for me.

-- 
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca


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Article 23615
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 12:13:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:21:21 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:

Thanx for BD wishes, June's fine, end of May of course is the race, if
any lean that way. 

Like I said, I'd just like to get the idea out there & get started.

Fader

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Article 23616
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 22:53:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Fader:   Happy 49th!

Ed J

On Fri, 07 May 2004 11:21:21 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net
(Fader) wrote:

>Yesterday was my birthday, I turned 49. This means that next year,
>I'll be 50.( possibly the subject was something of a give away for
>this) 
>

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Article 23617
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:14:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Fader" <fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:409b6c48.6806801@news.sff.net...
> Yesterday was my birthday, I turned 49.

Aiiigigigghghhhhhhh!!!!

Just kidding. Happy B-Day, and yes, of course keep me in mind for a 50th
birthday bash. I can hop over to Indy for a weekend with no trouble at all,
maybe longer if that's what it takes to celebrate appropriately!

WJaKe

(Anywhere to rent boats over there? ;) )



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Article 23618
From: Charles Graft 
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 23:49:26 -0500
Subject: Re: See the World in a New and Different Light!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger wrote:

> I see this as a great boon to the crazy people. Soon, you won't be able to
> tell the difference between the crazy man, and the guy who really _does_ see
> hobgoblins.:)
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Filksinger--
     This must be a big relief to you!    <VBG D & R>

Aside -- who needs more than one eye?  I operate fine that way.

--
<<Big Charlie>>

"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with remaining
good eye.'"



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Article 23619
From: Charles Graft 
Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 23:57:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Spy vs. Spy
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

An entirely appropriate method of operation.
--
<<Big Charlie>>


"William J. Keaton" wrote:

> This was in a magazine I get at work, Federal Computer Week. A little look
> behind the scenes at Cold War era spysmanship:
>
> http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2004/0426/feat-strange-04-26-04.asp
>
> WJaKe







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Article 23620
From: Charles Graft 
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:01:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Your (Secret) Government In Action!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger wrote:

> While not yet at the "proven true" level, like Cointelpro, there is more and
> more evidence that government authorities are using the "no-fly" list to
> harrass people they just don't like.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0927-01.htm
>
> http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/020904E.shtml
>
> I don't know whether to hope it isn't true, and that the "no-fly" list will
> die before it ever becomes true, or hope that it _is_ true, is proven true,
> and the list dies in flames like it deserves.:)
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

     Our government (are there others where this may not be true?) has never had
a power that did not get mis-used.

--
<<Big Charlie>>

"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with remaining
good eye.'"



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Article 23621
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 04:24:36 -0700
Subject: Re: See the World in a New and Different Light!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Charles Graft wrote:
> Filksinger wrote:
>
>> I see this as a great boon to the crazy people. Soon, you won't be
>> able to tell the difference between the crazy man, and the guy who
>> really _does_ see hobgoblins.:)
>>
>> --
>> Filksinger
>> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
>> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
> Filksinger--
>      This must be a big relief to you!    <VBG D & R>

Almost as much as cell phones with an ear plug and mike on a cord, for when
I want to talk to my invisible friends.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23622
From: David Wright" 
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 10:08:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>> So, any takers?
> 
>   Might just be do-able. Many variables, too many for commitment now,
> but we're likely to be closer to driving range than we are currently.
> 
>   Be nice to have another Gathering--I've gotten to see several of the
> chums in the past few years, BC visited us out here, saw Doc, Linda,
> Bill Dailey & Jai in MO/KS, and WJaKe and Nights/Gene at the last
> couple Worldcons--but be nice to see a big bunch again. Most we've
> seen since the Oregon Gathering was at the LA WorldCon and that's
> already eight years ago.
> 
>   50 is not looking nearly as old as it used to. Starting to look
> downright youngish, actually. ;-)

It is mere childhood. Happy Birthday

David Wright (who celebrated his 64th last Tuesday on the 4th)

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Article 23623
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:59:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Mon, 10 May 2004 10:08:31 -0400, "David Wright"
<dwrighsr@alltel.net> wrote:

>It is mere childhood. Happy Birthday
>
>David Wright (who celebrated his 64th last Tuesday on the 4th)

So, Happy Belated then.

I realize that there are a few, senior to me here, But half century
still seems like a milestone personnally.

"when I get older, losing my hair, many years from now...."

Fader 

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Article 23624
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:58:42 -0700
Subject: Re: See the World in a New and Different Light!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Charles Graft wrote:
<snip>
> Aside -- who needs more than one eye?  I operate fine that way.

If it is used on two eyes, you can make it more convincing to people who
have two working eyes. Eventually, it might be possible for people walking
down the hall to be literally unable to tell if another person coming the
other way is real or not. The entertainment value would be considerable. So
would the possible severe psychological problems.:)

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23625
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:53:57 -0400
Subject: Re: See the World in a New and Different Light!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:40a184e3.0@news.sff.net...
> Charles Graft wrote:
> <snip>
> > Aside -- who needs more than one eye?  I operate fine that way.
>
> If it is used on two eyes, you can make it more convincing to people who
> have two working eyes. Eventually, it might be possible for people walking
> down the hall to be literally unable to tell if another person coming the
> other way is real or not.

So the one-eyed man will be the only one to see the truth?

Big Charlie and I will RULE!

<g>

WJaKe



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Article 23626
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:29:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Fader wrote:
> Yesterday was my birthday, I turned 49. This means that next year,
> I'll be 50.( possibly the subject was something of a give away for
> this)

Belated Happy Birthday!

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



------------------------------------------------------------
Article 23627
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:29:46 -0700
Subject: Re: Fader's Fiftieth
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

David Wright wrote:

> It is mere childhood. Happy Birthday
>
> David Wright (who celebrated his 64th last Tuesday on the 4th)

Belated Happy Birthday!

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23628
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:31:59 -0700
Subject: A question of military terminology
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I recently heard about a term, supposedly used "in real life", but which I
suspect only exists in games. It is "ripplefire", and supposedly refers to
one person throwing a grenade or firing on someone, then other people doing
the same after the person avoids the attack, in a pattern intended to make
the attacks eventually catch up with the target.

Is "ripplefire" an actual military term, or otherwise real outside of games?


-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23629
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:42:04 -0700
Subject: Re: A question of military terminology
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Of course, I posted this, then continued my search and found the answer
immediately. Thank you.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Filksinger wrote:
> I recently heard about a term, supposedly used "in real life", but
> which I suspect only exists in games. It is "ripplefire", and
> supposedly refers to one person throwing a grenade or firing on
> someone, then other people doing the same after the person avoids the
> attack, in a pattern intended to make the attacks eventually catch up
> with the target.
>
> Is "ripplefire" an actual military term, or otherwise real outside of
> games?



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Article 23630
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 01:40:07 -0400
Subject: Re: A question of military terminology
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:40a2ee94.0@news.sff.net...
> Of course, I posted this, then continued my search and found the answer
> immediately. Thank you.
>
And the answer is....?

WJaKe



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Article 23631
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:23:49 -0700
Subject: Re: A question of military terminology
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

William J. Keaton wrote:
> "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:40a2ee94.0@news.sff.net...
>> Of course, I posted this, then continued my search and found the
>> answer immediately. Thank you.
>>
> And the answer is....?

Sorry.

"Ripplefire" is a term the military uses similar to "autofire", only with
slower, heavier weapons, and sometimes with multiple launchers. It refers to
multiple attacks with heavy weapons on the same target. It can refer to a
helicopter with a couple of rocket launchers firing rockets one after the
other in rapid succession, or the use of multiple Patriot launchers firing
upon the same incoming missile. Sometimes it is because you have to fire
like this instead of all at once, sometimes by design. With very heavy
explosives, in particular, you don't want to fire everything to arrive at
the same time, as the blast from the first impact might disrupt further
impacts. That consideration probably doesn't matter for anything smaller
than a cruise missle, and may only apply to weapons at least the size of
tactical nukes.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23632
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:26:27 -0700
Subject: Go, Rutan, Go!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Rutan gets closer than ever.

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/rutan_flight_040513.html


-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23633
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:26:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Go, Rutan, Go!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Excellent!

WJaKe
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:40a3e80a.0@news.sff.net...
> Rutan gets closer than ever.
>
>
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/rutan_flight_040513.html
>
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
>



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Article 23634
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:27:34 -0400
Subject: Re: A question of military terminology
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:40a3e76a.0@news.sff.net...
> William J. Keaton wrote:
> > "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
> > news:40a2ee94.0@news.sff.net...
> >> Of course, I posted this, then continued my search and found the
> >> answer immediately. Thank you.
> >>
> > And the answer is....?
>
> Sorry.
>
> "Ripplefire" is a term the military uses similar to "autofire", only with
> slower, heavier weapons, and sometimes with multiple launchers.

Ahh yes, I remember that term now, from an old computer game, M1 Tank
Assault!

Thanks!

WJaKe



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Article 23635
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 14 May 2004 13:37:43 GMT
Subject: Rah, Rah, RAH! at hs.org
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Spider Robinson's classic comeuppance for a generation of ill-informed and
ill-tempered RAH critics is now available at www.heinleinsociety.org

Props to Spider for his generosity in cheerfully agreeing to our request
to make it widely available by posting it at The Heinlein Society.

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Article 23636
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:50:08 -0700
Subject: Proof the Terrorists Have Won
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

This just in from the This Is True newsletter, which I recommend for true
stories of the Crazy Years. Sign up at http://www.thisistrue.com.


PROOF THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON: Girl Scout troops in Martin County, Fla.,
  decided to have a Mother's Day "scavenger hunt" at the Treasure Coast
  Square Mall. Fathers would accompany their daughters and go "window
  shopping" for items on the hunt list, marking them off as they spotted
  them, and then shop for a nice present for Mom when they were done. At
  least 150 father/daughter pairs signed up, but mall management wouldn't
  allow the hunt, citing "security" concerns in the post-9/11 world.
  "Since Sept. 11, we have looked at our security procedures very
  closely," said mall spokeswoman Rachelle Crain. First, "How do we know
  they're Girl Scouts?" she said of the uniformed 5- to 18-year-old
  girls. But, more importantly, "Our enhanced security prohibits us from
  hosting events that allow participants to wander freely around the mall
  area." (Stuart News) ...Right. Their dads could whip out a concealed
  credit card or something.


-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23637
From: RPostelnek" 
Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 22:20:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Proof the Terrorists Have Won
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

What do shoppers do, just register to go to particular stores?

Rosie
>
> PROOF THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON: Girl Scout troops in Martin County, Fla.,
>   decided to have a Mother's Day "scavenger hunt" at the Treasure Coast
>   Square Mall. Fathers would accompany their daughters and go "window
>   shopping" for items on the hunt list, marking them off as they spotted
>   them, and then shop for a nice present for Mom when they were done. At
>   least 150 father/daughter pairs signed up, but mall management wouldn't
>   allow the hunt, citing "security" concerns in the post-9/11 world.
>   "Since Sept. 11, we have looked at our security procedures very
>   closely," said mall spokeswoman Rachelle Crain. First, "How do we know
>   they're Girl Scouts?" she said of the uniformed 5- to 18-year-old
>   girls. But, more importantly, "Our enhanced security prohibits us from
>   hosting events that allow participants to wander freely around the mall
>   area." (Stuart News) ...Right. Their dads could whip out a concealed
>   credit card or something.
>
>
> -- 
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
>
>



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