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Article 23313
From: \"gunner\""
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 05:07:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Mars Rover
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
somewhere recently i seem to remember seeing a cartoon of an "lgm" waiting
with a baseball bat for the next incoming lander.
"gunner"
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote in message
news:7rohvvkue0ffqs212d4gvsr1h9ca2jtr5t@4ax.com...
> Jake:
> Yeah, I was hoping for big things from the little Brittish
> 'Beagle'. Mars is sure a tough place for our robots to visit.
>
> Ed J
>
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:11:32 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
> <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> >Landed and sending back pictures! Pick your favorite news site, they have
> >released a few of the early snapshots.
> >
> >Sorry about the Brits, though.
> >
> >WJaKe
> >
> >
> >"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote in message
> >news:l27fvvcfmekfc1djfi2c27e4sinu5bgro4@4ax.com...
> >> WJake: Still waiting for news from the Mars rover "Spirit".
> >>
> >> Ed J
> >
>
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Article 23314
From: Oscagne"
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:50:02 -0600
Subject: RAH-AIM Readers Group chat meeting-- _For Us the Living_ -- Jan 22, 24
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
sff.people.robert-a-heinlein
The next RAH-AIM Readers Group chat topic will be _For_Us_the_Living_,
scheduled for January 22 and 24, 8pm and 4pm U.S. Central Time
(respectively). Anyone wishing to join us for the first time can find out
how by visiting http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#Info.
I apologize for waiting so long in organizing this one, but I thought it
best to wait for the dissipation of the hangovers caused by the confluence
of the holidays and transoceanic visitors.
_For_Us_the_Living_ finally came to us about a month ago, and we've only
begun hashing out the implications. One of the things that struck me in the
hubbub surrounding the publication, is that almost all of the critiques and
other peripheral material regarding FUTL has held the book to a different
standard that all of Heinlein's other work. Almost universally, the fan
community has said, "This is not a very good book, so let's not judge this
work on its own merits, let us judge it as a precursor to later works." Is
this a fair way to criticize this book, or are we changing our standards to
coddle the memory of (for most of us) our favorite author? If we are indeed
coddling, do you think RAH would approve?
Had this book been published when first written, do you imagine that RAH's
writing career would have been much changed?
--
Oscagne, High Priest of Skeptics and Cynics
wanna read a story? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/mss
or see my goofy website? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/webpage/home.htm
The next Heinlein Readers Group chats will be:
_For Us the Living_ on
Thursday, January 22 at 8:00 p.m. central and
Saturday, January 24 at 4:00 p.m. central.
See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#info
to participate.
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Article 23315
From: Mitch Wagner
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:42:14 -0800
Subject: Re: RAH-AIM Readers Group chat meeting-- _For Us the Living_ -- Jan 22, 24
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
sff.people.robert-a-heinlein
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:50:02 -0600, Oscagne wrote:
> _For_Us_the_Living_ finally came to us about a month ago, and we've only
> begun hashing out the implications. One of the things that struck me in the
> hubbub surrounding the publication, is that almost all of the critiques and
> other peripheral material regarding FUTL has held the book to a different
> standard that all of Heinlein's other work. Almost universally, the fan
> community has said, "This is not a very good book, so let's not judge this
> work on its own merits, let us judge it as a precursor to later works." Is
> this a fair way to criticize this book, or are we changing our standards to
> coddle the memory of (for most of us) our favorite author? If we are indeed
> coddling, do you think RAH would approve?
>
I don't think it's coddling -- it's just an accurate perception. The book
is fascinating for Heinlein enthusiasts and scholars. It MIGHT be
interesting for scholars and enthusiasts in other areas, too: the history
of the Depression, the American Left, science fiction in general (of
course), the Utopian novel.
But it's of virtually no interest to other people.
One newspaper review gave the novel a C+. I'd say that's an average of the
two grades the novel SHOULD have received; A+ for Heinlein enthusiasts, F
for everybody else.
> Had this book been published when first written, do you imagine that RAH's
> writing career would have been much changed?
Mike the computer calculates that there's a 93% probability, if FUTL had
been published, the book would've sank like a rock, and disappeared, read
by very few people. Probably there'd be very few copies surviving today,
first editions would be collectors' items.
There's a 7 percent probability, however, that the book would've been
picked up as a bible by some social movement or another, and Heinlein might
have had a career as a very minor political figure.
--
Mitch Wagner * http://blog.mitchwagner.com/ * Asked by agents if he had
anything else to tell them, Cusack responded: "Yes, I've got monkeys in my
pants." -- CNN.com, Dec. 19, 2002
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Article 23316
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:48:12 GMT
Subject: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Howdy everybody!
JP and I are selling our book collection. We're listing through ebay,
but we thought we would let you guys know about it just in case there
was any interest here. I just started listing stuff yesterday and
will continue to list things as I get time and until everything sells.
Well, everything except the Heinleins and a few others. The books are
just too weighty for us as we look forward to another move. If anyone
has any special requests, please let me know... I do have a lot of H.
Beam Pipers (Geo), Spider Robinsons (Jake), Bujolds, Simaks, Brins,
just to name a few. I'll give you guys a cut rate on this stuff if
you catch it before it goes up on ebay. I'm in the A's and B's now..
Here's a link to ebay's site
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lesvrolyk&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
Les
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Article 23317
From: Valerie"
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:53:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Les Vrolyk" <les@vrolyk.org> wrote in message
news:3ffdcdd7.761869390@news.sff.net...
> Howdy everybody!
> JP and I are selling our book collection. We're listing through ebay,
> but we thought we would let you guys know about it just in case there
> was any interest here. I just started listing stuff yesterday and
> will continue to list things as I get time and until everything sells.
> Well, everything except the Heinleins and a few others. The books are
> just too weighty for us as we look forward to another move. If anyone
> has any special requests, please let me know... I do have a lot of H.
> Beam Pipers (Geo), Spider Robinsons (Jake), Bujolds, Simaks, Brins,
> just to name a few. I'll give you guys a cut rate on this stuff if
> you catch it before it goes up on ebay. I'm in the A's and B's now..
> Here's a link to ebay's site
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lesvrolyk&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
>
> Les
Hi. New here.
Do you have any Zelazny's?
Valerie
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Article 23318
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:07:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 05:53:16 -0500, "Valerie"
<postalval.uhuh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi. New here.
>
>Do you have any Zelazny's?
>
>Valerie
>
>
Do I have any Zelaznys... of course!
Here's what I've got.
The Chronicles of Amber Vol 1 (contains Nine Princes in Amber & The
Guns of Avalon)
The Chronicles of Amber Vol 2 (contains Sign of the Unicorn, The Hand
of Oberon & The Courts of Chaos)
Knight of Shadows
Sign of Chaos
Blood of Amber
Trumps of Doom
All of those are sf book club editions in pretty nice shape. I also
have another copy of The Hand of Oberon which is a library discard.
If you see anything you'd like, just email me!
Thanks!
Les
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Article 23319
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 19:08:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I forgot to mention that I have a nice collection of Sturgeons and a
number of paperback EE Doc Smiths. I know there are some fans out
there...
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Article 23320
From: David Wright"
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:38:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Les Vrolyk" <les@vrolyk.org> wrote in message
news:3ffefc05.839227174@news.sff.net...
> I forgot to mention that I have a nice collection of Sturgeons and a
> number of paperback EE Doc Smiths. I know there are some fans out
> there...
I'll be keeping my out for the H.B. Piper's. Most of mine are in tatters and
I haven't been able to find replacements.
--
David Wright
Join us at the next Heinlein Readers Group for the second session.
Topic: "For Us, The Living"
Thursday, January 23 at 9:00 P.M. EST.
Saturday, January 24 at 5:00 p.m. EST.
See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#Info for instructions
Go to top of that page for list of previous discussion logs.
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Article 23321
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 22:34:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:38:08 -0500, "David Wright"
<dwrighsr@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>I'll be keeping my out for the H.B. Piper's. Most of mine are in tatters and
>I haven't been able to find replacements.
>--
>David Wright
Hi David,
Here are the Pipers I have. They were all bought at used book stores,
but are mostly in good shape.
Four-Day Planet and Lone Star Planet
First Cycle
Space Viking
Fuzzy Bones (by William Tuning, but in the Fuzzy series?)
The Cosmic Computer
Empire
Federation
Paratime
Lord Kalvan or Otherwhen
Uller Uprising
The Worlds of H Beam Piper
The Fuzzy Papers
Those are all paperbacks. I have an sf book club edition of The Fuzzy
Papers.
Email me if you'd like any of them.
Les
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Article 23322
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:46:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:48:12 GMT, les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk) wrote:
Hey Les
If you've got any of the following authors:
Stephen Brust, Jack Chalker, Charles DeLint, Michael Moorcock, Neil
Stephenson,
Let me know
Thanx,
Fader
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Article 23323
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:08:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:48:12 GMT, les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk) wrote:
>
>Hey Les
>
>If you've got any of the following authors:
>
>Stephen Brust, Jack Chalker, Charles DeLint, Michael Moorcock, Neil
>Stephenson,
>
>
Fader, I still have the paperback of _Zodiac_ you gave me at a Gathering
awhile back. Would you like me to send it back to you?
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 23324
From: Valerie"
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:49:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Les Vrolyk" <les@vrolyk.org> wrote in message
news:3ffdcdd7.761869390@news.sff.net...
> Howdy everybody!
> JP and I are selling our book collection. We're listing through ebay,
> but we thought we would let you guys know about it just in case there
> was any interest here. I just started listing stuff yesterday and
> will continue to list things as I get time and until everything sells.
> Well, everything except the Heinleins and a few others. The books are
> just too weighty for us as we look forward to another move. If anyone
> has any special requests, please let me know... I do have a lot of H.
> Beam Pipers (Geo), Spider Robinsons (Jake), Bujolds, Simaks, Brins,
> just to name a few. I'll give you guys a cut rate on this stuff if
> you catch it before it goes up on ebay. I'm in the A's and B's now..
> Here's a link to ebay's site
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=lesvrolyk&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
>
> Les
>
Oh, crap---and John Varley....Terry Pratchett? Julian May?
Valerie
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Article 23325
From: Valerie"
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:54:44 -0500
Subject: Does ANYONE have a copy of this book?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Know anyone who does? Wd you/they be willing to part with it, w/o requiring
me to sever any limbs in return?
'Red Planet', 1960's edition, hardback, preferably a school library copy.
Condition--down to fair, just not missing any pages or held together with
duct tape.
It was the first SF book I ever read.
Valerie
--
L. Ron Hubbard's reaction upon hearing of his son's death was, "That stupid
f**king kid! That stupid f**king kid! Look what he's done to me!" (Source:
"Bare Faced Messiah" by Russell Miller, Chapter 20, P. 344
http://www.scientology-kills.org
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Article 23326
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 11 Jan 2004 01:50:41 GMT
Subject: Art Print of Destination Moon Photo For Sale at THS!!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Yippee! Getting our order in toot-sweet.
See http://www.heinleinsociety.org/specialoffers/destinationmoon.html
Can pay by PayPal or send a check. . .
Sympathetic webmasters please link. . .
Best. Geo
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Article 23327
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:03:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:46:15 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:48:12 GMT, les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk) wrote:
>
>Hey Les
>
>If you've got any of the following authors:
>
>Stephen Brust, Jack Chalker, Charles DeLint, Michael Moorcock, Neil
>Stephenson,
>
>Let me know
>
>Thanx,
>Fader
>
>
Hmmm....
Chalker:
The Labyrinth of Dreams - G.O.D. Inc No 1, pb
The River of the Dancing Gods - pb library discard
Warriors of the Storm - pb Book 3 of The Rings of the Master
Masks of the Martyrs - pb Book 4 of The Rings of the Master
The Demons at Rainbow Bridge - hc Book 1 of the Quintara Marathon
(Sorry, no complete series)
Moorcock:
The Dancers at the End of Time trilogy - all sf book club editions
An Alien Heat
The Hollow Lands
The End of all Songs
Stephenson
Cryptonomicon - hc
That's what I've got, they're yours if you want them!
Les
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Article 23328
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:49:44 -0500, "Valerie"
<postalval.uhuh@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Oh, crap---and John Varley....Terry Pratchett? Julian May?
>
>Valerie
>
>
I can't part with the Varleys. But I do have some Pratchett and
May...
Pratchett:
(All of these are sf book club editions)
The Light Fantastic
Mort
Sourcery
The Colour of Magic
Strata (no dust jacket)
May:
The Surveillance - Book 1 of Intervention - badly worn library pb
Blood Trillium - pb
The Nonborn King & The Adversary - sf book club
The Many-Colored Land & The Golden Torc - sf book club
See anything you like? Email me and they're yours!
Les
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Article 23329
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:15:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:03:27 GMT, les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk) wrote:
Les -
Got all of 'em, thanx for checking. Hope the sale goes well.
Eli - Thanx anyway, but that's one I don't want, not one of his best
efforts IMNSHO.
Fader
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Article 23330
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:21:30 GMT
Subject: Tag line
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Read this as someones tag line on the NWN forum the other day,
couldn't resist sharing.<bfg>
Build a man a fire, & he's warm for a day,
Set a man on fire, & he's warm for the rest of his life.
getting worse in my old age,
Fader
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Article 23331
From: les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:41:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 02:07:06 GMT, les@vrolyk.org (Les Vrolyk) wrote:
>
>May:
>The Surveillance - Book 1 of Intervention - badly worn library pb
>Blood Trillium - pb
>The Nonborn King & The Adversary - sf book club
>The Many-Colored Land & The Golden Torc - sf book club
>
>
Found one more for ya - it was shelved under Bradley.
Black Trillium - it's a 1st edition hardcover in really nice shape!
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Article 23332
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:54:02 GMT
Subject: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My uncle sent these to me, I just pass them on for the fans.( Probably
not for the kiddies this year)
Annual Darwin Awards:
They are finally out again. You all know about the
Darwin Awards. It's an
annual honor given to the person who did the gene pool
the biggest service
by killing themselves in the most extraordinarily
stupid way.
Last year's winner was the fellow who was killed by a
Coke machine which
toppled over on top of him as he was attempting to tip
a free soda out of it.
And the nominees this year are:
9. A young Canadian man, searching for a way of
getting drunk cheaply,
because he had no money with which to buy alcohol,
mixed gasoline with
milk. Not surprisingly, this concoction made him ill,
and he vomited into
the fireplace in his house. This resulting explosion
and fire burned his
house down, killing both him and his sister.
8. A 34-year-old white male found dead in the basement
of his home died of
suffocation, according to police. He was approximately
6' 2" tall and
weighed 225 pounds. He was wearing a pleated skirt,
white bra, black and
white saddle shoes, and a woman's wig. It appeared
that he was trying to
create a schoolgirl's uniform look. He was also
wearing a military gasmask
that had the filter canister removed and a rubber hose
attached in its
place. The other end of the hose was connected to one
end of a hollow tube
approx. 12" long and 3" in diameter. The tube's other
end was inserted
into his rectum for reasons unknown, and was the cause
of his suffocation.
Police found the task of explaining the circumstances
of his death to his
family very awkward.
7. Three Brazilian men were flying in a light aircraft
at low altitude
when another plane approached. It appears that they
decided to moon the
occupants of the other plane, but lost control of
their own aircraft and
crashed. They were all found dead in the wreckage with
their pants around
their ankles.
6. A police officer in Ohio responded to a 911 call.
She had no details
before arriving, except that someone had reported that
his father was not
breathing. Upon arrival, the officer found the man
face down on the couch
naked. When she rolled him over to check for a pulse
and to start CPR, she
noticed burn marks around his genitals. After the
ambulance arrived and
removed the man - who was declared dead on arrival at
the hospital police
made a closer inspection of the couch, and noticed
that the man handmade a
hole between the cushions. Upon flipping the couch
over, they discovered
what had caused his death. Apparently, the man had a
habit of putting his
penis between the cushions, down into the hole and
between two electrical
sanders (with the sandpaper removed, for obvious
reasons). According to
the story, after his orgasm the discharge shorted out
one of the sanders,
electrocuting him.
5. A 27-year-old French woman lost control of her car
on a highway near
Marseilles and crashed into a tree, seriously injuring
her passenger and
killing herself. As a commonplace road accident, this
would not have
qualified for a Darwin nomination, were it not for the
fact that the
driver's attention had been distracted by her
Tamagotchi key ring, which
had started urgently beeping for food as she drove
along. In an attempt to
press the correct buttons to save the Tamagotchi's
life, the woman lost
her own.
4. A 22-year-old, Glade Drive, Reston, VA, man was
found dead after he
tried to use octopus straps to bungee jump off a
70-foot railroad trestle. Fairfax County police said
Eric Barcia, a
fast-food worker, taped a bunch of these straps
together, wrapped one end
around one foot, anchored the other end to the trestle
at Lake Accotink
Park, jumped and hit the pavement. Warren Carmichael,
a police spokesman,
said investigators think Barcia was alone because his
car was found
nearby. "The length of the cord that he had assembled
was greater than the
distance between the trestle and the ground,"
Carmichael said. Police say
the apparent cause of death was "Major trauma."
3. A man in Alabama died from rattlesnake bites. It
seems that he and a
friend were playing a game of catch, using the
rattlesnake as a ball. The
friend, no doubt a future Darwin Awards candidate, was
hospitalized.
2. Employees in a medium sized warehouse in west Texas
noticed the smell
of a gas leak. Sensibly, management evacuated the
building extinguishing
all potential sources of ignition; lights, power, etc.
After the building
had been evacuated, two technicians from the gas
company were dispatched..
Upon entering the building, they found they had
difficulty navigating in
the dark. To their frustration, none of the lights
worked. Witnesses later
described the sight of one of the technicians reaching
into his pocket and
retrieving an object that resembled a cigarette
lighter. Upon operation of
the lighter like object, the gas in the warehouse
exploded, sending pieces
of it up to three miles away. Nothing was found of the
technicians, but
the lighter was virtually untouched by the explosion.
His peers had never
thought of the technician suspected of causing the
blast as 'bright'.
AND THE WINNER
1. Based on a bet by the other members of his
threesome, Everitt Sanchez
tried to wash his own "balls" in a ball washer at the
local golf course..
Proving once again that beer and testosterone are a
bad mix, Sanchez
managed to straddle the ball washer and dangle his
scrotum in the machine.
Much to his dismay, one of his buddies upped the ante
by spinning the
crank on the machine with Sanchez's scrotum in place,
thus wedging them
solidly in the mechanism. Sanchez, who immediately
passed his threshold of
pain, collapsed and tumbled from his perch.
Unfortunately for Sanchez, the
height of the ball washer was more than a foot higher
off the ground than
his testicles are in a normal stance, and the scrotum
was the weakest
link. Sanchez's scrotum was ripped open during the
fall, and one testicle
was plucked from him forever and remained in the ball
washer, while the
other testicle was compressed and flattened as it was
pulled between the
housing of the washer, and the rotating machinery
inside. To add insult to
injury, Sanchez broke a new $300.00 driver that he had
just purchased from
the pro shop, and was using to balance himself.
Sanchez was rushed to the
hospital for surgery, and the remaining threesome was
asked to leave the
course.
NB: This last one wouldn't normally count, because the
idiot didn't die.
But, because he cannot reproduce as a result of his
qualifying act of
stupidity, we have allowed it.
2036 Headlines
> The Ozone created by electric cars now killing
millions in the seventh largest country in the world,
California.
>
> White minorities still trying to have English
recognized as California's third language.
>
> Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United
States crops & livestock.
>
> Baby conceived naturally.... Scientists stumped.
>
> Authentic year 2000 "chad" sells at Sotheby's for
$4.6 million.
>
> Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the
American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known
as Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, and Lebanon.)
>
> Iraq still closed off; physicists estimate it will
take at least ten more years before radioactivity
decreases to safe levels.
>
> Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can
now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton
has banned all smoking.
>
> George Z. Bush says he will run for President in
2036.
>
> Postal Service raises price of first class stamp
to $17.89 and reduce mail delivery to Wednesday only.
>
> 35 year study: diet and exercise is the key to
weight loss.
>
> Massachusetts executes last remaining
conservative.
>
> Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals
violates their civil rights.
>
> Average height of NBA players now nine feet, seven
inches.
>
> New federal law requires that all nail clippers,
screw-drivers, fly swatters, and rolled up newspapers
must be registered by January 2036.
>
> Congress authorizes direct deposit of illegal
political contributions to campaign accounts.
>
> Capitol Hill intern indicted for refusing to have
sex with congressman.
>
> IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75%.
>
> Florida Democrats still don't know how to use
voting machine.
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Article 23333
From: \"gunner\""
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:27:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Tag line
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
yeah, i've run into that one a few times, along with "give a man a fish and
he'll eat for a day, teach him to fish and he'll sit around in a boat and
drink beer all day."
"gunner"
"Fader" <fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:4000dc37.255954092@news.sff.net...
> Read this as someones tag line on the NWN forum the other day,
> couldn't resist sharing.<bfg>
>
> Build a man a fire, & he's warm for a day,
> Set a man on fire, & he's warm for the rest of his life.
>
> getting worse in my old age,
> Fader
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Article 23334
From: \"gunner\""
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:49:16 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH-AIM Readers Group chat meeting-- _For Us the Living_ -- Jan 22, 24
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
sff.people.robert-a-heinlein
interesting gun collection oscagne, what is that "service automatic"? the
pic wasn't clear enough to read the markings on the slide. i was luckier
than you in my last armed job. the company kepy a few stainless s&w .357s
around issuing .38 special for them but encouraged the troops to supply
their own sidearms, specifying only "double action revolver or semi-auto not
less than 9mm/.38 caliber". i started with a legacy .38 s&w model 10 but
soon found and bought a SIGsauer p220. 45 then later a SIGsauer p226 9mm
with several full capacity magazines. the p220 was my primary sidearm with
the p226 carried occasionally. i'm retired now but i've still got both,
along with the .38 special amd the usual m1911a1 colt everyone seems to
have.
"gunner"
------------------------------
"Oscagne" <Oscagne@ev1.net> wrote in message news:3ffc5594.0@news.sff.net...
> The next RAH-AIM Readers Group chat topic will be _For_Us_the_Living_,
> scheduled for January 22 and 24, 8pm and 4pm U.S. Central Time
> (respectively). Anyone wishing to join us for the first time can find out
> how by visiting http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#Info.
>
> I apologize for waiting so long in organizing this one, but I thought it
> best to wait for the dissipation of the hangovers caused by the confluence
> of the holidays and transoceanic visitors.
>
> _For_Us_the_Living_ finally came to us about a month ago, and we've only
> begun hashing out the implications. One of the things that struck me in
the
> hubbub surrounding the publication, is that almost all of the critiques
and
> other peripheral material regarding FUTL has held the book to a different
> standard that all of Heinlein's other work. Almost universally, the fan
> community has said, "This is not a very good book, so let's not judge this
> work on its own merits, let us judge it as a precursor to later works."
Is
> this a fair way to criticize this book, or are we changing our standards
to
> coddle the memory of (for most of us) our favorite author? If we are
indeed
> coddling, do you think RAH would approve?
>
> Had this book been published when first written, do you imagine that RAH's
> writing career would have been much changed?
>
> --
> Oscagne, High Priest of Skeptics and Cynics
> wanna read a story? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/mss
> or see my goofy website? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/webpage/home.htm
>
> The next Heinlein Readers Group chats will be:
> _For Us the Living_ on
> Thursday, January 22 at 8:00 p.m. central and
> Saturday, January 24 at 4:00 p.m. central.
> See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#info
> to participate.
>
>
>
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Article 23335
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:40:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader wrote:
>Eli - Thanx anyway, but that's one I don't want, not one of his best
>efforts IMNSHO.
>
>
I agree Zodiac's not his best effort, but it was a great introduction to
his irreverent style. I have some big issues with scientific
inaccuracies in it, for instance.
I did enjoy Quicksilver and eagerly await the rest of the Baroque Cycle.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 23336
From: JT
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:10:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:54:02 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:
>My uncle sent these to me, I just pass them on for the fans.( Probably
>not for the kiddies this year)
>
While fun to read, the Darwins struck me as just as made up as the
"future headlines". Although I have no doubt that one or two of the
Darwin episodes really happened. ;)
JT
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Article 23337
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:46:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Books for sale!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:40:51 -0500, Eli Hestermann
<ehestermann@charter.net> wrote:
>I did enjoy Quicksilver and eagerly await the rest of the Baroque Cycle.
Last of his I read was Cryptnomicon {sp?}, haven't done Quicksilver
yet, waiting fod it to show in Half-Price Books.
Fader
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Article 23338
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:54:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:10:18 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>While fun to read, the Darwins struck me as just as made up as the
>"future headlines". Although I have no doubt that one or two of the
>Darwin episodes really happened. ;)
Haven't ever been sure about the veracity of the Darwins, which isn't
the problem. The problem is that they are all too believable, I'd
really like to be able to say that this isn't possible, no one could
be that ...... , but I can't. Then I remember, "never underestimate
the power of stupidity."<sg>
Fader
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Article 23339
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:22:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>While fun to read, the Darwins struck me as just as made up as the
>"future headlines".
Oh, I don't know. Some of the things I've personally witnessed from
potential Darwin candidates makes me think these things are all quite
possibly real.
1965, Yellowstone National Park--my parents quite reasonably pointed
out to the couple with New York license plates on their car that the
cute little baby bears they were feeding had a mama bear, and that
they were between the mama and the babies. "Oh, they wouldn't let them
be loose if they were dangerous" the people confidently informed us.
about 1972, Cross Lake, Minnesota--a couple bright boys were driving
a 4000 pound station wagon on a frozen lake when they decided they
could get some air beneath their tires by taking run ups to a spit of
land sticking out into the lake. They could. On about the fourth jump
the weight of car impacting ice from altitude had the predictible
outcome. They managed to get out through the rear window before the
car went under. (that was my brother and I didn't hear the _whole_
story until about 30 years later--I knew they'd gone through the ice,
I didn't know it was while jumping the car)
2000 or so, Sacramento, California--idiot teen was tormenting
rattlesnakes by the American River, picking them up and putting them
down in verticle pipes or posts. Naturally one of the snakes took
umbrage at that and bit him. (saw that one on the local news)
Another one by my brother the car whiz--a demolition derby about
1973, the carburator of his car caught fire. He leaned out over it
(derby cars have no windshields and he generally took off the hood)
and _blew_ on it to put the fire out. He had no eyebrows for quite a
while. This brother also once crawled into a bear's den to see if the
bears were still in it. And burned up a car (burned down to bare
metal) by using it to go "4-wheeling" out in the woods--the others had
actual 4-wheelers with some ground clearance, not a fairly low Chevy
Impala like he did. I think he punctured the gas tank.
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23340
From: Lorrita Morgan"
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:48:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I agree with Deb.
I've seen too many potential Darwin winners.
We just had the usual idiot burn his house to the ground with a blow torch
trying to thaw pipes in a confined crawl space. We'll probably have numerous
other winter weather idiocies like destroyed roofs from people trying to
shortcut snow removal, maybe even a couple electrocutions, and various
amputated body parts from improper use of equipment before March.
In my experience, these behaviors are accompanied by alcohol/drugs, ego, and
pressure -- peer, deadlines, nagging spouse/parent/boss. People who do
these things aren't thinking of the consequences of their actions. IF, and
it's a big if, they are thinking of anything, they are concentrating on the
"reward" they will get from this action. The thrill, the time saved, the
bet won, the new high are all they think about.
I'm married to one of these idiots. He's set himself on fire, rolled his
truck/car/motorcycle numerous times, fallen off roofs/cliffs, stabbed
himself because he wouldn't get a pair shears and the knife slipped, and
those are just the highlights. He looks for the thrill, and takes dangerous
shortcuts when he feels time constrained. Some of that is why I love him
and have put up with him these past 21.9 years.
He's not the one who made "rockets" out of 30-30 brass and caps (just the
little dots from the paper roll for cap pistols) and lit them with paper
matches. He's not the one who lit the wood stove with white gas one
sub-zero night.
Maybe what I'm trying to say in all this verbiage is that each of us has the
potential to do some totally >what's the Heinlein word?< stupid thing that
could get us killed.
--
+=+=+=+=+=+
`rita
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Article 23341
From: JT
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:34:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:48:47 -0800, "Lorrita Morgan"
<lorrita_m@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I agree with Deb.
>I've seen too many potential Darwin winners.
<snip>
>Maybe what I'm trying to say in all this verbiage is that each of us has the
>potential to do some totally >what's the Heinlein word?< stupid thing that
>could get us killed.
Yes, but again, "what are the facts?" I'd be more comforted if each
Darwin Award Nominee had a newspaper citation with it that didn't
start with "Weekly World News reports..." ;)
I agree that stupid people happen, but, ya know, come on....
JT
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Article 23342
From: Oscagne"
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:12:29 -0600
Subject: Re: RAH-AIM Readers Group chat meeting-- _For Us the Living_ -- Jan 22, 24
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
sff.people.robert-a-heinlein
""gunner"" <gunnera4@sover.net> wrote in message
news:4001464d.0@news.sff.net...
> interesting gun collection oscagne, what is that "service automatic"? the
> pic wasn't clear enough to read the markings on the slide. i was luckier
> than you in my last armed job. the company kepy a few stainless s&w .357s
> around issuing .38 special for them but encouraged the troops to supply
> their own sidearms, specifying only "double action revolver or semi-auto
not
> less than 9mm/.38 caliber". i started with a legacy .38 s&w model 10 but
> soon found and bought a SIGsauer p220. 45 then later a SIGsauer p226 9mm
> with several full capacity magazines. the p220 was my primary sidearm with
> the p226 carried occasionally. i'm retired now but i've still got both,
> along with the .38 special amd the usual m1911a1 colt everyone seems to
> have.
> "gunner"
That is a personaly owned Astra, Model A-100 in 9mm. I was using it on the
job when I was doing security contracted to the City of Houston. Since then
I've bought a XD-40 to use, if I'm ever on a job where I can carry my own
weapon again.
The thing is... now I'm contracted to FAA, and the contract mandates .38
(_no_ .357's) loaded with +p semi-jacketed hollow points, and they guns have
to be owned by the company and each officer issued his/her own weapon.
Thing is, I really consider the .38 an underpowered round, and the capacity
it terrible as the contract only allows us to carry one speedloader's worth
of reloads.
I haven't gotten around to getting a .45, but I'd like to get a 1911a1 some
day.
I haven't updated the site since I got my XD-40, or since my dad gave me my
late grandfather's .30-40 Krag (Carbine version).
--
Oscagne, High Priest of Skeptics and Cynics
wanna read a story? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/mss
or see my goofy website? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/webpage/home.htm
The next Heinlein Readers Group chats will be:
_For Us the Living_ on
Thursday, January 22 at 8:00 p.m. central and
Saturday, January 24 at 4:00 p.m. central.
See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#info
to participate.
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Article 23343
From: Oscagne"
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:17:29 -0600
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita_m@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4002ec1a.0@news.sff.net...
> I agree with Deb.
> I've seen too many potential Darwin winners.
>
> We just had the usual idiot burn his house to the ground with a blow torch
> trying to thaw pipes in a confined crawl space.
Reminds me of our neighbor when I was a teen. He was the kind that never
had tools, and always borrowed ours (although contrary to the stereotype, he
always brought them back, so we kept lending). One day he dashed across the
street desperate for duct tape, and then needed help because he didn't fit
into the crawl space in his attic (and I did, unfortunately). You see... he
had a squirrels in his attic and had decided to shoot them with his .22. We
used the duct tape to temporarilty fix the new leaks in his attic plumbing.
--
Oscagne, High Priest of Skeptics and Cynics
wanna read a story? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/mss
or see my goofy website? http://users.ev1.net/~mcgrew/webpage/home.htm
The next Heinlein Readers Group chats will be:
_For Us the Living_ on
Thursday, January 22 at 8:00 p.m. central and
Saturday, January 24 at 4:00 p.m. central.
See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#info
to participate.
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Article 23344
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:35:31 -0800
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'm afraid these aren't the real Darwin Awards. They are, instead, urban
legends, like the man who suffocated because of excess intestinal gas while
sleeping in a small room.
For the real Darwin Awards, try http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
Fader wrote:
> My uncle sent these to me, I just pass them on for the fans.( Probably
> not for the kiddies this year)
>
>
> Annual Darwin Awards:
>
> They are finally out again. You all know about the
> Darwin Awards. It's an
> annual honor given to the person who did the gene pool
> the biggest service
> by killing themselves in the most extraordinarily
> stupid way.
>
> Last year's winner was the fellow who was killed by a
> Coke machine which
> toppled over on top of him as he was attempting to tip
> a free soda out of it.
>
> And the nominees this year are:
>
> 9. A young Canadian man, searching for a way of
> getting drunk cheaply,
> because he had no money with which to buy alcohol,
> mixed gasoline with
> milk. Not surprisingly, this concoction made him ill,
> and he vomited into
> the fireplace in his house. This resulting explosion
> and fire burned his
> house down, killing both him and his sister.
>
> 8. A 34-year-old white male found dead in the basement
> of his home died of
> suffocation, according to police. He was approximately
> 6' 2" tall and
> weighed 225 pounds. He was wearing a pleated skirt,
> white bra, black and
> white saddle shoes, and a woman's wig. It appeared
> that he was trying to
> create a schoolgirl's uniform look. He was also
> wearing a military gasmask
> that had the filter canister removed and a rubber hose
> attached in its
> place. The other end of the hose was connected to one
> end of a hollow tube
> approx. 12" long and 3" in diameter. The tube's other
> end was inserted
> into his rectum for reasons unknown, and was the cause
> of his suffocation.
> Police found the task of explaining the circumstances
> of his death to his
> family very awkward.
>
> 7. Three Brazilian men were flying in a light aircraft
> at low altitude
> when another plane approached. It appears that they
> decided to moon the
> occupants of the other plane, but lost control of
> their own aircraft and
> crashed. They were all found dead in the wreckage with
> their pants around
> their ankles.
>
> 6. A police officer in Ohio responded to a 911 call.
> She had no details
> before arriving, except that someone had reported that
> his father was not
> breathing. Upon arrival, the officer found the man
> face down on the couch
> naked. When she rolled him over to check for a pulse
> and to start CPR, she
> noticed burn marks around his genitals. After the
> ambulance arrived and
> removed the man - who was declared dead on arrival at
> the hospital police
> made a closer inspection of the couch, and noticed
> that the man handmade a
> hole between the cushions. Upon flipping the couch
> over, they discovered
> what had caused his death. Apparently, the man had a
> habit of putting his
> penis between the cushions, down into the hole and
> between two electrical
> sanders (with the sandpaper removed, for obvious
> reasons). According to
> the story, after his orgasm the discharge shorted out
> one of the sanders,
> electrocuting him.
>
> 5. A 27-year-old French woman lost control of her car
> on a highway near
> Marseilles and crashed into a tree, seriously injuring
> her passenger and
> killing herself. As a commonplace road accident, this
> would not have
> qualified for a Darwin nomination, were it not for the
> fact that the
> driver's attention had been distracted by her
> Tamagotchi key ring, which
> had started urgently beeping for food as she drove
> along. In an attempt to
> press the correct buttons to save the Tamagotchi's
> life, the woman lost
> her own.
>
> 4. A 22-year-old, Glade Drive, Reston, VA, man was
> found dead after he
> tried to use octopus straps to bungee jump off a
> 70-foot railroad trestle. Fairfax County police said
> Eric Barcia, a
> fast-food worker, taped a bunch of these straps
> together, wrapped one end
> around one foot, anchored the other end to the trestle
> at Lake Accotink
> Park, jumped and hit the pavement. Warren Carmichael,
> a police spokesman,
> said investigators think Barcia was alone because his
> car was found
> nearby. "The length of the cord that he had assembled
> was greater than the
> distance between the trestle and the ground,"
> Carmichael said. Police say
> the apparent cause of death was "Major trauma."
>
> 3. A man in Alabama died from rattlesnake bites. It
> seems that he and a
> friend were playing a game of catch, using the
> rattlesnake as a ball. The
> friend, no doubt a future Darwin Awards candidate, was
> hospitalized.
> 2. Employees in a medium sized warehouse in west Texas
> noticed the smell
> of a gas leak. Sensibly, management evacuated the
> building extinguishing
> all potential sources of ignition; lights, power, etc.
> After the building
> had been evacuated, two technicians from the gas
> company were dispatched..
> Upon entering the building, they found they had
> difficulty navigating in
> the dark. To their frustration, none of the lights
> worked. Witnesses later
> described the sight of one of the technicians reaching
> into his pocket and
> retrieving an object that resembled a cigarette
> lighter. Upon operation of
> the lighter like object, the gas in the warehouse
> exploded, sending pieces
> of it up to three miles away. Nothing was found of the
> technicians, but
> the lighter was virtually untouched by the explosion.
> His peers had never
> thought of the technician suspected of causing the
> blast as 'bright'.
>
> AND THE WINNER
>
> 1. Based on a bet by the other members of his
> threesome, Everitt Sanchez
> tried to wash his own "balls" in a ball washer at the
> local golf course..
> Proving once again that beer and testosterone are a
> bad mix, Sanchez
> managed to straddle the ball washer and dangle his
> scrotum in the machine.
> Much to his dismay, one of his buddies upped the ante
> by spinning the
> crank on the machine with Sanchez's scrotum in place,
> thus wedging them
> solidly in the mechanism. Sanchez, who immediately
> passed his threshold of
> pain, collapsed and tumbled from his perch.
> Unfortunately for Sanchez, the
> height of the ball washer was more than a foot higher
> off the ground than
> his testicles are in a normal stance, and the scrotum
> was the weakest
> link. Sanchez's scrotum was ripped open during the
> fall, and one testicle
> was plucked from him forever and remained in the ball
> washer, while the
> other testicle was compressed and flattened as it was
> pulled between the
> housing of the washer, and the rotating machinery
> inside. To add insult to
> injury, Sanchez broke a new $300.00 driver that he had
> just purchased from
> the pro shop, and was using to balance himself.
> Sanchez was rushed to the
> hospital for surgery, and the remaining threesome was
> asked to leave the
> course.
> NB: This last one wouldn't normally count, because the
> idiot didn't die.
> But, because he cannot reproduce as a result of his
> qualifying act of
> stupidity, we have allowed it.
>
>
> 2036 Headlines
>
> > The Ozone created by electric cars now killing
> millions in the seventh largest country in the world,
> California.
> >
> > White minorities still trying to have English
> recognized as California's third language.
> >
> > Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United
> States crops & livestock.
> >
> > Baby conceived naturally.... Scientists stumped.
> >
> > Authentic year 2000 "chad" sells at Sotheby's for
> $4.6 million.
> >
> > Last remaining Fundamentalist Muslim dies in the
> American Territory of the Middle East (formerly known
> as Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, and Lebanon.)
> >
> > Iraq still closed off; physicists estimate it will
> take at least ten more years before radioactivity
> decreases to safe levels.
> >
> > Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can
> now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton
> has banned all smoking.
> >
> > George Z. Bush says he will run for President in
> 2036.
> >
> > Postal Service raises price of first class stamp
> to $17.89 and reduce mail delivery to Wednesday only.
> >
> > 35 year study: diet and exercise is the key to
> weight loss.
> >
> > Massachusetts executes last remaining
> conservative.
> >
> > Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals
> violates their civil rights.
> >
> > Average height of NBA players now nine feet, seven
> inches.
> >
> > New federal law requires that all nail clippers,
> screw-drivers, fly swatters, and rolled up newspapers
> must be registered by January 2036.
> >
> > Congress authorizes direct deposit of illegal
> political contributions to campaign accounts.
> >
> > Capitol Hill intern indicted for refusing to have
> sex with congressman.
> >
> > IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75%.
> >
> > Florida Democrats still don't know how to use
> voting machine.
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Article 23345
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:49:51 -0600
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Possibly it occurred in the country?
Kevin
Filksinger wrote:
> I'm afraid these aren't the real Darwin Awards. They are, instead, urban
> legends, like the man who suffocated because of excess intestinal gas while
> sleeping in a small room.
>
> For the real Darwin Awards, try http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/.
>
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Article 23346
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:20:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Since it was supposed to have been his own intestinal gas, I'm not sure how
this would be relevant. Regardless, it was an urban legend.
My problem with a lot of supposedly true stories circulating the Internet
(like the phony "Stella Awards" and fake Darwins) is that, to me, they are
only amusing if true. If they aren't, then, to me, they are just stupid
stories.
Here's a couple of sites I like, or at least I like the newsletters
therefrom, because the stories _are_ true:
The True Stella Awards
Named for Stella Liebeck, the woman who was reported to have won $2.7
million against McDonalds for being burned by their coffee, they were a
group of urban legend claims going around the Internet. These inspired
Colorado journalist and humorist Randy Cassingham to create a newsletter of
_true_ cases of the legal system gone amok. See http://www.stellaawards.com
for examples, and to read the true (and much fairer) story of Stella Liebeck
(who, right or wrong, was unfairly crapped on by the press).
This is True
Humorous stories collected from reputable news sources and emailed out
regularly by the same Randy Cassingham. See http://www.thisistrue.com for
details.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declineda
Kevin Patrick Crowley wrote:
> Possibly it occurred in the country?
>
> Kevin
>
> Filksinger wrote:
>
> > I'm afraid these aren't the real Darwin Awards. They are, instead,
> > urban legends, like the man who suffocated because of excess
> > intestinal gas while sleeping in a small room.
> >
> > For the real Darwin Awards, try http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/.
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Article 23347
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:30:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My tongue has been surgically attached to my cheek since I was twelve.
Kevin
Filksinger wrote:
> Since it was supposed to have been his own intestinal gas, I'm not sure how
> this would be relevant. Regardless, it was an urban legend.
>
> My problem with a lot of supposedly true stories circulating the Internet
> (like the phony "Stella Awards" and fake Darwins) is that, to me, they are
> only amusing if true. If they aren't, then, to me, they are just stupid
> stories.
>
> Here's a couple of sites I like, or at least I like the newsletters
> therefrom, because the stories _are_ true:
>
> The True Stella Awards
>
> Named for Stella Liebeck, the woman who was reported to have won $2.7
> million against McDonalds for being burned by their coffee, they were a
> group of urban legend claims going around the Internet. These inspired
> Colorado journalist and humorist Randy Cassingham to create a newsletter of
> _true_ cases of the legal system gone amok. See http://www.stellaawards.com
> for examples, and to read the true (and much fairer) story of Stella Liebeck
> (who, right or wrong, was unfairly crapped on by the press).
>
> This is True
>
> Humorous stories collected from reputable news sources and emailed out
> regularly by the same Randy Cassingham. See http://www.thisistrue.com for
> details.
>
>
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Article 23348
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:02:48 -0800
Subject: Re: Darwins & 2036 Headlines
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
What an odd coincidence. My parents tried to have it surgically corrected
when I was twelve. I got it as a birth defect.
Filksinger
Kevin Patrick Crowley wrote:
> My tongue has been surgically attached to my cheek since I was twelve.
>
> Kevin
>
> Filksinger wrote:
>
> > Since it was supposed to have been his own intestinal gas, I'm not
> > sure how this would be relevant. Regardless, it was an urban legend.
> >
> > My problem with a lot of supposedly true stories circulating the
> > Internet (like the phony "Stella Awards" and fake Darwins) is that,
> > to me, they are only amusing if true. If they aren't, then, to me,
> > they are just stupid stories.
> >
> > Here's a couple of sites I like, or at least I like the newsletters
> > therefrom, because the stories _are_ true:
> >
> > The True Stella Awards
> >
> > Named for Stella Liebeck, the woman who was reported to have won
> > $2.7 million against McDonalds for being burned by their coffee,
> > they were a group of urban legend claims going around the Internet.
> > These inspired Colorado journalist and humorist Randy Cassingham to
> > create a newsletter of _true_ cases of the legal system gone amok.
> > See http://www.stellaawards.com for examples, and to read the true
> > (and much fairer) story of Stella Liebeck (who, right or wrong, was
> > unfairly crapped on by the press).
> >
> > This is True
> >
> > Humorous stories collected from reputable news sources and emailed
> > out regularly by the same Randy Cassingham. See
> > http://www.thisistrue.com for details.
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Article 23349
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:05:12 -0800
Subject: Nintendo GameCube Question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I need to get at least one memory cartridge for my kids for their new
Christmas present, and I need some information. I can't afford to buy more
than the minimum I think will allow them to save games and not fight over
space. Does anybody know how many blocks of GameCube memory card are needed
to store a game of Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask?
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23350
From: Filksinger"
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:45:28 -0800
Subject: Beware Terrorists with Almanacs!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The FBI has now officially warned police to be on the watch for suspicious
individuals with almanacs. Better keep an eye out....
http://cryptome.org/fbi-almanacs.htm
http://tinyurl.com/29lxw
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004361.html
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23351
From: Filksinger"
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:02:05 -0800
Subject: Altitude above sea level
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I am trying to find out the altitude of my home, but unfortunately, Kent is
a very hilly place, and the best I can do is find Kent. Different sources
peg its height above sea level as 10, 20, and 50 feet. I'm not certain, but
I'll bet my house is higher yet.
I may be able to find a better source, but I'd need my exact latitude and
longitude. Anybody know of a good source, preferably online?
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23352
From: JT
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:10:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Altitude above sea level
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:02:05 -0800, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
er yet.
>
>I may be able to find a better source, but I'd need my exact latitude and
>longitude. Anybody know of a good source, preferably online?
Try
http://imageatlas.globexplorer.com/ImageAtlas/view.do?group=ImageAtlas
and put in your street address. Pretty neat.
JT
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