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Article 21898
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 00:33:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Oops. I said it wrong.

And I think it is incorrect, when said right, now. Hmmm.

--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 21899
From: anonymous@sff.net (Anonymous Visitor)
Date: 24 Oct 2002 15:27:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

bytor wrote:

>>
Questions down below.


 wrote in message news:3db708ea.0@news.sff.net...
> bytor wrote:
>
> "The 100 prisoner problem."
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> Here's a really bad answer.
>
> All prisoners agree that, if they are placed within the room twice within
> 100 days, they will turn the light on, except you. You always turn it
off.
> You wait until you are brought into the room exactly 100 days after the
> last time you were in the room. If the light is still off, then all the
> prisoners have come through.
>
> Of course, this will take much longer than the ordinary man's lifetime....

What happens if a prisoner gets into the room twice within 100 days and
the
light is on?  What happens if on day 1000 everyone has been in the room.
 On
day 1001 you go in.  On day 1002 the guy who was there on day 1000 goes
in
again.  That's twice in 100 days for him, so he turns the light on.  On
day
1101 you go back in.  Lights on even though everyone has been in there once.
You'll never get out.

bytor
>>

OK, let me say it right. I havent' had time to think about this one, but
I did have time to correct what I meant to say before.

Tell all the other prisoners that, if they are placed within the room twice
within less than 100 days, they are to turn on the light, but if they are
placed within the room at intervals 100 days apart or more, they are to
leave the light as is. Then, I always turn off the light. When I go to the
room 100 days apart exactly, and the light is off, then I know that they
all were in the room.

Of course, as I said before, this was a bad answer. The average amount of
time for success is probably more than billions of years, since it would
require that I get chosen, randomly, for two days at exactly 100 days apart
(rare), _and_ that every other person gets picked _on the same pattern_
(so rare as to be utterly ridiculous). In other words, my method would work,
but it will only work if the prisoners are picked, one at a time, in exactly
the same order, twice.

Filksinger

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Article 21900
From: anonymous@sff.net (Anonymous Visitor)
Date: 24 Oct 2002 15:27:55 GMT
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

bytor wrote:

>>
Questions down below.


 wrote in message news:3db708ea.0@news.sff.net...
> bytor wrote:
>
> "The 100 prisoner problem."
>
> s
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>
> p
>
>
> o
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>
> i
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>
> l
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>
> e
>
>
> r
>
>
> Here's a really bad answer.
>
> All prisoners agree that, if they are placed within the room twice within
> 100 days, they will turn the light on, except you. You always turn it
off.
> You wait until you are brought into the room exactly 100 days after the
> last time you were in the room. If the light is still off, then all the
> prisoners have come through.
>
> Of course, this will take much longer than the ordinary man's lifetime....

What happens if a prisoner gets into the room twice within 100 days and
the
light is on?  What happens if on day 1000 everyone has been in the room.
 On
day 1001 you go in.  On day 1002 the guy who was there on day 1000 goes
in
again.  That's twice in 100 days for him, so he turns the light on.  On
day
1101 you go back in.  Lights on even though everyone has been in there once.
You'll never get out.

bytor
>>

OK, let me say it right. I havent' had time to think about this one, but
I did have time to correct what I meant to say before.

Tell all the other prisoners that, if they are placed within the room twice
within less than 100 days, they are to turn on the light, but if they are
placed within the room at intervals 100 days apart or more, they are to
leave the light as is. Then, I always turn off the light. When I go to the
room 100 days apart exactly, and the light is off, then I know that they
all were in the room.

Of course, as I said before, this was a bad answer. The average amount of
time for success is probably more than billions of years, since it would
require that I get chosen, randomly, for two days at exactly 100 days apart
(rare), _and_ that every other person gets picked _on the same pattern_
(so rare as to be utterly ridiculous). In other words, my method would work,
but it will only work if the prisoners are picked, one at a time, in exactly
the same order, twice.

Filksinger

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Article 21901
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 24 Oct 2002 15:44:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I have no idea why that last message duplicated. Sorry.

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Article 21902
From: Gordon G. Sollars 
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:29:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

In article <3db645e1.0@news.sff.net>, Michael P. Calligaro writes...
> I've now worked at my company for almost 9 years.  Way back when I was
> interviewing, I had this really cool experience.  I rocked on all of the
> interviewer's questions (we don't do those silly touchy feely interviews
> here.  We give mind-crunching technical interviews, hire the people whose
> brains hold up to the onslaught, and don't hire the people whose minds we
> turn to mush).  After finishing a particularly hard one, I said, "What's
> next?"  ("Who wants some?")  He shrugged and said, "Nothing, unless you want
> to <insert technical gibberish here>."  I said, "Okay" and started to write
> stuff on the board.  He stopped me and said, "Wait, it's a really hard brain
> teaser that's a totally unfair interview question.  Think about it on your
> flight home and email me the answer if you get it."  I said, "Oh, a brain
> teaser, huh?  Well here's one for you then."  And I gave him a particularly
> hard brain teaser that I'd worked on for a month or so and had only figured
> out recently.  (I later found out that he put on his interview feedback that
> my fearlessly firing a teaser back at him was a pretty good indication that
> I'd fit in well there. :-)
> 
> So, that interview is over, and I move on to the next one, a lunch
> interview.  Lunch interviews last an hour and a half, and when that one's
> over, I'm brought to the next guy, who's in the office next to the one I
> gave the brain teaser to.  The earlier interviewer stops me in the hall and
> hands me a piece of paper with the perfect solution to the teaser,
> diagrammed in a way that showed that he went about solving it in the ideal
> manner.  Hour and a half max, and he probably ate lunch in there somewhere.
> I remember thinking to myself, "Damn, I want to work with this guy."
> 
> Over the years, he and I have found/traded/etc hundreds of brain teasers.
> I've figured out every last one of them, but in each and every case, he's
> figured it out faster than I have, or came up with an answer that was in
> some way better than mine (more general, or more efficient, or more subtle,
> or more clever, something).
> 
> This teaser holds a place near and dear to my heart. Because, for the first
> time in 9 years, I solved it before my friend did.  In fact, he hasn't
> gotten it yet, and it only took me enough time to cut the lawn in the back
> yard and half of the front (perfect thinking time).  You'll also note that
> this teaser follows the first two of "Bytor's Rules for Teaser Excellence."
> So, while the spinning disk one is still the best teaser of all time, the
> special circumstances surrounding this one make it my second favorite.
> 
> The 100 prisoner problem.
> You're one of 100 people in a room.  Soon you're all going into solitary
> confinement where you'll spend the rest of your lives.  You'll each live in
> your own cell and have no contact with anyone else.  However, every morning,
> the warden is going to pick one of you at random (truly random) and put you
> in a special room that we'll call "the light room."  This room has a single
> light switch and a light attached to it.  Standard lightswitch stuff, up is
> on, down is off.  At the end of the day, the person in the light room is
> taken out and put back into his cell.  The warden won't touch the
> lightswitch.
> 
> So, you've got this TINY bit of information you can use to communicate with
> the other prisoners, because over time, eventually they'll all end up in
> that room.  But you can't mark the walls or unscrew the bulb or anything
> like that.  All you can do is change the orientation of the switch.
> 
> There's an escape clause for this lifelong solitary confinement.  At any
> point, any prisoner can tell the warden, "All hundred of us has been in the
> light room at least once."  If he's right, you'll all go free.  If he's
> wrong, you'll all be tortured to death.  Every one of you would prefer a
> lifetime in solitary confinement than to be put to death.
> 
> So, while you're all in the common room contemplating the horrible life
> ahead of you, come up with an algorithm for determining, with complete and
> absolute certanty, that you've all been in the light room and share it with
> your fellow prisoners.

Well, a brute force solution would be to assign a number from 1 to 100 to 
each prisoner and take the number of days of captivity modulo 100.  If a 
prisoner goes into the light room on his day, he turns on the light, 
otherwise he turns it off.  A prisoner who finds the light on knows that 
the prisoner with the previous day's number was in the room.  Eventually 
some prisoner will be in a position to observe that every other prisoner 
has been in the light room.

Of course, if the prisoners are human, they are likely to die of old age 
before anyone makes the discovery.  There must be a more efficient 
coding, and that must be why this is the "100 Prisoner Problem".  Hmmm... 
Now I'll have to /think/ about it.  But dinner calls.

-- 
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com

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Article 21903
From: Michael P. Calligaro" 
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 20:05:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it still doesn't work.  But you're heading in the
right direction.

Because of the randomness, you never really can tell how long it'll take.  I
mean, it's POSSIBLE to get the same one prisoner in the room 10,000 times.
Exeedingly unlikely, but possible.  Still, the average time my solution will
take is well within the lifespan of a human (we've run simulations :-).

bytor

"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3db7a264.0@news.sff.net...
> Oops. I said it wrong.
>
> And I think it is incorrect, when said right, now. Hmmm.
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
>



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Article 21904
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:21:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Michael P. Calligaro" <bytor@mystikeep.com> wrote in message
news:3db8b4ea.0@news.sff.net...
> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it still doesn't work.  But you're heading in the
> right direction.
>
> Because of the randomness, you never really can tell how long it'll take.
I
> mean, it's POSSIBLE to get the same one prisoner in the room 10,000 times.
> Exeedingly unlikely, but possible.  Still, the average time my solution
will
> take is well within the lifespan of a human (we've run simulations :-).
>
> bytor

Then here's the answer.

Tell each person that if they enter the room and the light is on, they do
nothing, but if they enter the room and the light is out, then, if and only
if it is the first time they have entered the room with the light out, they
are to turn on the light.

Every time I enter the room, I do nothing if the light is out, but, if the
light is on, I add one to my running tally. When I have counted 99 times I
have entered the room with the light on, I will know that everyone has
entered the room once.

Rough guess, upwards of 20 years to escape. I hope nobody dies before
signalling me.

--
Filksinger







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Article 21905
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:25:30 -0700
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Gordon G. Sollars" <gsollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.18225a7e8474675c989819@news.sff.net...
<snip>
> Well, a brute force solution would be to assign a number from 1 to 100 to
> each prisoner and take the number of days of captivity modulo 100.  If a
> prisoner goes into the light room on his day, he turns on the light,
> otherwise he turns it off.  A prisoner who finds the light on knows that
> the prisoner with the previous day's number was in the room.  Eventually
> some prisoner will be in a position to observe that every other prisoner
> has been in the light room.
>
> Of course, if the prisoners are human, they are likely to die of old age
> before anyone makes the discovery.  There must be a more efficient
> coding, and that must be why this is the "100 Prisoner Problem".  Hmmm...
> Now I'll have to /think/ about it.  But dinner calls.

I was thinking of an answer similar to this when my solution came to me. It
wasn't completed, though.

--
Filksinger



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Article 21906
From: Michael P. Calligaro" 
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:04:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Very good.  But why you?  What if you're not called into the room for 150
days?  That time could be better spent.

bytor

"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3db9eeaf.0@news.sff.net...
> Then here's the answer.
>
> Tell each person that if they enter the room and the light is on, they do
> nothing, but if they enter the room and the light is out, then, if and
only
> if it is the first time they have entered the room with the light out,
they
> are to turn on the light.
>
> Every time I enter the room, I do nothing if the light is out, but, if the
> light is on, I add one to my running tally. When I have counted 99 times I
> have entered the room with the light on, I will know that everyone has
> entered the room once.
>
> Rough guess, upwards of 20 years to escape. I hope nobody dies before
> signalling me.
>
> --
> Filksinger
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Article 21907
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:12:56 GMT
Subject: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  The Heinlein pages were outgrowing their annex on my homepage so Geo
and I have set up a new domain site just for the Heinlein material at:

  http://www.robertaheinlein.com

  Most of the material from my old Heinlein site has been moved over.
I'm kept the more personal stuff on my homepage but all new reviews
and articles will be on the new site. I finished up the design and
pages last week and tonight did the first update--a new review of
"Double Star" by David Wright, and links pages. Many of the NASA/space
science links have some interesting references to RAH. 

  Also, there are photos on the site that are new that we took at the
Heinlein archives in Santa Cruz--me and Geo in Heinlein's very own
office chair. It was neat. Pictures of Heinlein's typewriter and his
first computer, also. Pictures of me and Geo at WorldCon and at the
Heinlein Society dinner, too. 

  The reviews are still on my homepage site but I've removed the links
to them. They're all moved to the new site. We'd sure like to see some
more book and short story reviews done. Any in the works?

  If you read through my homepage guestbook you'll see comments from
visitors pleased to have read the short story reviews--they hadn't
heard of those stories. You have to go past a lot of "Laura Ingalls
Wilder" entries, those pages have become very popular. 

  
Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 21908
From: David Wright" 
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 02:55:51 -0500
Subject: Revised Web Site - Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Shortly before I became sick, I had just finished up a major revision of the
website of The Heinlein Society. This is the first opporunity that I have
had to publicize it. Content is much the same as before. What has changed is
the structure and organization of the site.

If you haven't recently visited it, please do so and let met know,
(privately, if you wish), any comments you may have about it.

It is a pure HTML, no-flash, non-frames site.

Thanks
David Wright Sr.
http://heinleinsociety.org






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Article 21909
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 05:31:01 -0500
Subject: Re: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

"Gulf" is still in the works, Deb.  After that I don't know.

--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@tmlp.com
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca



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Article 21910
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:35:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I don't doubt it. And, when I have figured out how, I'll let you know.:)

Truth is, I don't focus well on brain teasers. I rarely manage more than 10
minutes at a time, then something more important/immediate distracts me,
then I remember it later, sometimes days later. So, if I don't have an
answer within the hour, there's no telling when I'll get it.:)

Filksinger

Michael P. Calligaro wrote:
> Very good.  But why you?  What if you're not called into the room for
> 150 days?  That time could be better spent.
>
> bytor
>
> "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:3db9eeaf.0@news.sff.net...
>> Then here's the answer.
>>
>> Tell each person that if they enter the room and the light is on,
>> they do nothing, but if they enter the room and the light is out,
>> then, if and only if it is the first time they have entered the room
>> with the light out, they are to turn on the light.
>>
>> Every time I enter the room, I do nothing if the light is out, but,
>> if the light is on, I add one to my running tally. When I have
>> counted 99 times I have entered the room with the light on, I will
>> know that everyone has entered the room once.
>>
>> Rough guess, upwards of 20 years to escape. I hope nobody dies before
>> signalling me.
>>
>> --
>> Filksinger



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Article 21911
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:03:38 -0500
Subject: Re: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Deb:  Excellent job!  Well done (I checked it out days ago <g>).

Ed J

On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:12:56 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:

>
>  The Heinlein pages were outgrowing their annex on my homepage so Geo
>and I have set up a new domain site just for the Heinlein material at:
>
>  http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>
>  Most of the material from my old Heinlein site has been moved over.
>I'm kept the more personal stuff on my homepage but all new reviews
>and articles will be on the new site. I finished up the design and
>pages last week and tonight did the first update--a new review of
>"Double Star" by David Wright, and links pages. Many of the NASA/space
>science links have some interesting references to RAH. 
>
>  Also, there are photos on the site that are new that we took at the
>Heinlein archives in Santa Cruz--me and Geo in Heinlein's very own
>office chair. It was neat. Pictures of Heinlein's typewriter and his
>first computer, also. Pictures of me and Geo at WorldCon and at the
>Heinlein Society dinner, too. 
>
>  The reviews are still on my homepage site but I've removed the links
>to them. They're all moved to the new site. We'd sure like to see some
>more book and short story reviews done. Any in the works?
>
>  If you read through my homepage guestbook you'll see comments from
>visitors pleased to have read the short story reviews--they hadn't
>heard of those stories. You have to go past a lot of "Laura Ingalls
>Wilder" entries, those pages have become very popular. 
>
>  
>Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
>http://www.dahoudek.com
>http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>http://www.civilwarstlouis.com


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Article 21912
From: Michael P. Calligaro" 
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:50:33 -0800
Subject: Re: Teaser Vindication
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Yeah, I have the same problem.  But I vaccum the house every Sunday and I
cut the lawn through the months when you cut the lawn, and I find those to
be perfect times to think about these things.  So, while I'll go a week
without thinking much about a teaser, I still get a lot of good teaser time
in in a week.  (-:

bytor

"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3dbbe990.0@news.sff.net...
> I don't doubt it. And, when I have figured out how, I'll let you know.:)
>
> Truth is, I don't focus well on brain teasers. I rarely manage more than
10
> minutes at a time, then something more important/immediate distracts me,
> then I remember it later, sometimes days later. So, if I don't have an
> answer within the hour, there's no telling when I'll get it.:)
>
> Filksinger




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Article 21913
From: Bill Dauphin 
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:53:29 -0500
Subject: Re: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On 10/27/02 2:12 AM, in article 3dbe909d.1819085@NEWS.SFF.NET, "Deb Houdek
Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote:

> 
> We'd sure like to see some
> more book and short story reviews done. Any in the works?

I haven't forgotten that I owe you one on _The Door Into Summer_. I actually
went out and bought a new copy of the book when I couldn't locate my old
one, and re-read it specifically so I could write the review... Then I got
overcome by events, and now it's been so long that I need to re-read it
*again*! <sigh>

-JovBill


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Article 21914
From: SpaceCadet 
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:16:52 -0600
Subject: Base What?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Hey All,

Check out http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html


Carol


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Article 21915
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:33:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Base What?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Better yet, wait until New Year's eve. ;-)

SpaceCadet wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Check out http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
>
> Carol

--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa."  -Seneca



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Article 21916
From: Michael P. Calligaro" 
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:38:07 -0800
Subject: Re: Base What?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Damn, I'm just too amused by silly stuff.  That's downright goofy, but I
still sat and watched it for over two minutes...

Thanks Carol.

bytor

"SpaceCadet" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
news:3DBFDBC4.6080803@planet-save.com...
> Check out http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html




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Article 21917
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:22:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Base What?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

bytor:   I kept restarting it to watch the little hands erase all of
the numbers <g>.

Ed J

On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:38:07 -0800, "Michael P. Calligaro"
<bytor@mystikeep.com> wrote:

>Damn, I'm just too amused by silly stuff.  That's downright goofy, but I
>still sat and watched it for over two minutes...
>
>Thanks Carol.
>
>bytor
>

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Article 21918
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:14:57 -0500
Subject: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Every year at Halloween, the dress code at the US Naval Academy is relaxed a
bit. The reason? To allow the display of a very non-regulation piece of kit:
The Black N sweater.
A dubious yet somehow coveted honor among midshipman, it designates a person
who has accumulated a serious number of demerits, but not enough to rate
seperation. (That walk down Washout Lane)
Rumour has it that it currently takes about 100 demerits for things like
sneaking into town, contraband in your room, etc.

Among the members of the "Black N Brigade"  is our own Robert A. Heinlein.
From a story in the Washington Post this week:

"Black N-worthy exploits were celebrated in the academy's yearbooks during
the World War I era, with members' pictures collected under headings like
"Dangerous Desperadoes." Robert Heinlein, a 1929 graduate who went on to
become the father of modern science fiction writing, got his Black N for
slipping away from his ship during a cruise, according to his dossier, kept
in the academy archives."

Does anyone have any further info on the dark past of our mentor?

Read the entire Wash. Post article, with a bonus photo at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43761-2002Oct30.html

WJaKe



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Article 21919
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:20:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

The picture isn't clear enough to allow me to read what is in his yearbook
entry, but I can make out "Black N" in the lower left hand corner.

It also appears to contain a quote or two from the young Lt. to be. I'll
have to search for this one a bit.

WJaKe



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Article 21920
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:34:42 -0500
Subject: Another RAH ref
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

The Post was big on RAH Thursday. He's mentioned in an article on Grooker, a
new search front-end tool. It displays results in a series of spheres. The
relevant RAH reference:

"The company and its product take their names from "grok," a term coined by
science fiction writer Robert Heinlein. It's Martian-speak for "to drink,"
or more loosely, to fully intuit or understand something."

Close enough for the mainstream press, I guess

The full article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43337-2002Oct30.html



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