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Article 20878
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 00:42:36 -0400
Subject: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All:
My new iMac G4 (800 MHz G4; 512 Mb RAM; 60 Gb HD; CD-RW/DVD-R
SuperDrive; 15" Active Matrix LCD screen; MacOS X + VirtualPC/WinXP
Home) is winging its way to me (well, trucking its way: Brown says, "I'm
bringin' your computer next week."). Leaving aside the inevitable
Platform Wars, I need some ideas about integrating my new toy with my
existing toys, and I thought maybe some of the techies in the group
could help.
The current computers in my household are both ancient -- a 180 MHz
PowerPC 603e Mac clone (a PowerBase 180) running MacOS 8.0 and a 120 MHz
Pentium <No Roman Numeral> running Win95. What I'm looking for is the
simplest/cheapest way to link my new machine to the other two, primarily
for the purpose of file sharing. I don't have a broadband connection
(yet), so sharing that isn't a concern (though I'd like to avoid
solutions that would make that harder in the future). Similarly, I don't
need to share peripherals (each machine will have its own printer),
though that, too, might come up later. Mostly, I just care about getting
data back and forth... but since the new machine doesn't have a floppy
drive (I may buy an external one), the two older machines don't have CD
burners; and none of them has a Zip drive, sneakernettting files is
harder than it sounds. Both Macs have ethernet ports built in, and I
think the PC may have one as well (I'm not sure about much WRT that
machine, since it was a feebie hand-me-down from a coworker). Surely it
couldn't be as simple as stringing cable from one ethernet port to the
other?
Anyway, I'd be grateful for any thoughts on how to do this w/minimal
capital (the computer itself plus MS Office X pretty much soaked up my
budget) and maximum operational simplicity.
TIA...
-JovBill
PS: Mara had a new set of MRI and CT scans last week; all still clear,
so far.
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Article 20879
From: noone"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 02:17:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
damm! there was something on that on the history channel, i believe back in
february as part of "black history month", but the details have slipped my
mind, it might have been the old 9th infantry (colored) but don't hold me to
that.
"gunner"
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"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3ca4b178.0@news.sff.net...
> I am trying to make out and transcribe the words to "The Ballad of Esau's
> Sons". The music is by Michael Longcor, the words are from a poem by
Martha
> Keller.
>
> Specifically, the song is about WWI, and the black men who were assigned
to
> non-combat positions by the orders of Woodrow Wilson (probably the most
> openly racist president since the Civil War). One regiment of musicians in
> France, however, took holidays on the front, and ended up holding the
front
> lines longer than any other regiment did during the entire war, without
> reprieve.
>
> Our side ignored them. The French gave them the Croix de Guerre.
>
> So, the main thing I am looking for is a word. The song says something
like,
> "But near the Aim they played the blues, the music the machine-guns use".
> From usage, it appears to be a location in France, but I can't find
anything
> that seems to fit on the maps.
>
> If somebody has an idea, or better yet, the words of the original by
Martha
> Keller (I believe that is the last name), could they get back to me ASAP?
>
> On a less urgent note, does anyone else know more about this regiment and
> their place in history. I find it a fascinating story, but when I tried
the
> search engines before, I came up dry.
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
>
>
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Article 20880
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:12:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Intro was Re: Another announcement.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"David Wright" <dwrighsr@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:3ca4bd4e.0@news.sff.net...
>
> "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:3ca4b64f.0@news.sff.net...
>
>
> (snip)
>
> > Now, I didn't mean to say that he couldn't have thought up these
> > alternatives. Of course he could. But what he _did_ do was get so
enamored
> > of the idea that he never considered the possibility that there was at
> least
> > one truly obvious alternative (authors are historians of alternate
> reality).
> > Maybe he just liked the idea a lot, but personally, I think that, as an
> > author, it never occurred to him that his "creations" might have been
just
> > given to him, and that he created nothing.
> >
>
> This is an interesting take on the subject. I have trouble with it though,
> because of one scene in TCWWTW. This is where Richard meets with the
Circle
> of Ouroboros and he is subsequently fatally shot by Marshall Sam Beaux.
> Beaux is then shot by three? of the circle. He is then 'erased' exactly as
> if someone were rubbing an eraser back and forth across him and Richard's
> wound is completely healed. I have recently come to the interpretation
that
> this is presenting a direct intervention of the author with the story
which
> is visible to the characters themselves. In other words, RAH, The Black
Hat,
> is allowing the participants in the story to see his modifications to the
> story! This doesn't directly contradict your theory, but such an
> interpretation is consistent with his 'World-as-Myth' concept, and would
> require some unusual stretching to fit into the 'historian of alternate
> worlds' interpretation, IMO.
True. But all the people mentioned knew about the Gay Deceiver and her
discovery well before that time, and not one of them came up with the
alternate explanation.
OTOH, it does show that, by the time of TSBTS, Maureen probably wouldn't
have considered the alternate reality explanation, but the other
explanations should still have been suggested by _someone_. Maureen,
however, did not even know that any other explanation existed, despite
decades having gone by since the arrival of the Gay Deceiver.
Also, the explanation is fairly simple. Obviously, human beings are more
important to the universes they belong to than we thought. Alter them too
permanently, and they suddenly are pulled back to the universe from which
they came.
<snip>
> Before you respond to this, if you are so moved, please read that section
> very carefully and with your skepticism filters at full strength.
Well, at this time, I don't have the book available. Not only was a lot of
my Heinlein lost, but that, being my least favorite (for reasons having
nothing to do with the "World as Myth" theory, at least not directly. Mostly
due to logical inconsistencies and truly irrational behavior by characters I
liked.), I am going to be replacing that, if not last, then near last.
Filksinger
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Article 20881
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:22:00 -0800
Subject: An interesting news article
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Some of you here are filksingers, and thus should know Leslie Fish's name.
Here's an article someone just sent me from Arizona.
http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
Filksinger
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Article 20882
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:27:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks. Got your map, and am looking it over. I don't think it was the Arne,
though. It sounds very much like Aim or Ain, and is repeated twice. So much
like those, in fact, that I doubt any sound other than "h" could be in the
word and still sound like this, though silent letters could likely be in
there.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
"Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3ca62368.0@news.sff.net...
> Filksinger, try the Arne River. Just a guess.
> Later,
> `rita
>
>
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Article 20883
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:19:46 -0500
Subject: Re: An interesting news article
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3ca8a5a6.0@news.sff.net>, Filksinger writes...
> Some of you here are filksingers, and thus should know Leslie Fish's name.
> Here's an article someone just sent me from Arizona.
>
> http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
"Fish is of below medium height, with long brown hair, and often wears
occult symbols. She is believed to be heading north in a stolen red
Mercury Comet. Police believe that she may be heading to Western Oregon.
They request information on her whereabouts,and warn that no one should
approach Fish for any reason."
Not even for an autograph?
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20884
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 14:19:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Intro was Re: Another announcement.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3ca8a3f5.0@news.sff.net...
>
> "David Wright" <dwrighsr@alltel.net> wrote in message
> news:3ca4bd4e.0@news.sff.net...
> >
> > "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
> > news:3ca4b64f.0@news.sff.net...
> >
> >
(snip)
> > This is an interesting take on the subject. I have trouble with it
though,
> > because of one scene in TCWWTW. This is where Richard meets with the
Circle
> > of Ouroboros and he is subsequently fatally shot by Marshall Sam Beaux.
> > Beaux is then shot by three? of the circle. He is then 'erased' exactly
as
> > if someone were rubbing an eraser back and forth across him and
Richard's
> > wound is completely healed. I have recently come to the interpretation
that
> > this is presenting a direct intervention of the author with the story
which
> > is visible to the characters themselves. In other words, RAH, The Black
Hat,
> > is allowing the participants in the story to see his modifications to
the
> > story! This doesn't directly contradict your theory, but such an
> > interpretation is consistent with his 'World-as-Myth' concept, and would
> > require some unusual stretching to fit into the 'historian of alternate
> > worlds' interpretation, IMO.
>
> True. But all the people mentioned knew about the Gay Deceiver and her
> discovery well before that time, and not one of them came up with the
> alternate explanation.
>
I'm not sure that you understood what I was saying here. What I meant was if
you treat these two alternate explanations as theories of the (fictional)
universe, i.e. 'world-as-myth' vs. 'historian-of-alternate-worlds', 'W-A-M'
explains it easily, but how can the H-O-A-W interpretation explain the
'erasure' of Sam Beaux and the subsequent 'healing' of Richard?
David W.
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Article 20885
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:08:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 00:42:36 -0400, Bill Dauphin
<dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>PS: Mara had a new set of MRI and CT scans last week; all still clear,
>so far.
>
In the future, lead off with the best news!!! <G>
I'm not going to talk platform wars, you're getting a great machine.
I haven't done much with Mac/PC networking, but you have two
issues--directory formats and wiring.
Wiring is the easy one. A 4-port hub and three cables will connect
you all up (assuming you have all the Ethernet cards already). The
hardest part of the wiring is running the cable, if the PCs are on
different floors and you don't want to mess with pulling cable then
there are wireless/electrical system/phone jack systems that will work
but cost more.
The directory format issue is another thing, though. Even if you only
swap text files or Office documents that are compatible formats, the
machines still need to be able to "see" the connected resources of the
'other' machines. I know there are programs out there that will let
you do such things, but I'm not sure of their cost.
I bet Filk may have some experience in this area--my knowledge is
really all theoretical.
JT
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Article 20886
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 15:30:51 -0800
Subject: Re: An interesting news article
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3ca8a5a6.0@news.sff.net...
> Some of you here are filksingers, and thus should know Leslie Fish's name.
> Here's an article someone just sent me from Arizona.
>
> http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
>
> Filksinger
A year ago, I got the idea for a simple joke website, claiming that Leslie
was on the run from the police. Then Leslie wanted to make it look authentic
enough to fool a couple of old enemies for a short while. Then it went
downhill from there, looking more and more authentic and less and less like
a joke. Until I panicked when rec.music.filk started talking about phoning
the actual newspaper (www.azcentral.com) and complaining.
Since Arizona Central has already contacted me, demanding I turn the URL
over or they will sue, I panicked and bailed out, asking rec.music.filk not
to tell anyone. Under the circumstances, I thought I would tell you, too.
Filksinger
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Article 20887
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 18:53:38 -0400
Subject: Re: An interesting news article
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger wrote:
> Some of you here are filksingers, and thus should know Leslie Fish's name.
Heck, I know virtually nothing about filking, and even *I* know that name. In
fact, I'm just now rereading _Fallen Angels_; I assume Jenny Trout = Leslie
Fish?
However, this link...
> http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
....only took me to a site-map page, and a search of the AZ-Central site for
"Leslie Fish" turned up nothing. Since the URL indicates a 4/1 date, it seems
odd that the story would have already expired fromt he site... but then
again, the date *is* 4/1. From the brief excerpt Gordon quoted, it sounds
like a wild tale. Maybe too wild to be true?
Enquiring minds want to know...
-JovBill
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Article 20888
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:08:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks for the info.
JT wrote:
> Wiring is the easy one. A 4-port hub...
This is something I can just walk into CompUSA and buy off the shelf? Or
do I need more guidance than that?
> ...and three cables will connect
> you all up (assuming you have all the Ethernet cards already). The
> hardest part of the wiring is running the cable
For now, the machines will be in adjacent rooms on the same floor, so I
think I can fake it. Evenutally I plan to wire the house not only for
networking, but also for audio and video... but that's a project for
another time.
> The directory format issue is another thing, though. Even if you only
> swap text files or Office documents that are compatible formats, the
> machines still need to be able to "see" the connected resources of the
> 'other' machines.
This may not be that hard after all: I know the Macs will mount
PC-formatted drives (floppies, CDs, Zips) w/no problem. If the same is
true for fixed hard drives, I'm in. Even if the Win95 machine can't "see"
the Mac drives, if the Macs can read and write to it, all my short-term
goals are met. Frankly, if I can't get the Win95 machine onboard at all,
it won't be a huge loss, as the thing I care most about is being able to
share files between the two Macs.
> I bet Filk may have some experience in this area--my knowledge is
> really all theoretical.
Any light he can shine into my empty, cobwebbed brain would be more than
welcome!
-JovBill
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Article 20889
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:08:43 -0800
Subject: Re: An interesting news article
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3CA8E4F1.86B9EAF8@ix.netcom.com...
>
>
> Filksinger wrote:
>
> > Some of you here are filksingers, and thus should know Leslie Fish's
name.
>
> Heck, I know virtually nothing about filking, and even *I* know that name.
In
> fact, I'm just now rereading _Fallen Angels_; I assume Jenny Trout =
Leslie
> Fish?
Yes. Jenny Trout is Leslie Fish. And the representation is pretty close,
though it was adapted for the book. I've never seen her actually draw her
gun, for example, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that she was secretly
packing every time we talked.
> However, this link...
>
> > http://www.az-central.com/news/articles/0401shootout-ON.html
>
> ...only took me to a site-map page, and a search of the AZ-Central site
for
> "Leslie Fish" turned up nothing. Since the URL indicates a 4/1 date, it
seems
> odd that the story would have already expired fromt he site... but then
> again, the date *is* 4/1. From the brief excerpt Gordon quoted, it sounds
> like a wild tale. Maybe too wild to be true?
>
> Enquiring minds want to know...
I already confessed.:)
Filksinger
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Article 20890
From: SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:23:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3CA8E876.4906C929@ix.netcom.com>, Bill Dauphin
<dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Thanks for the info.
>
>JT wrote:
>
>> Wiring is the easy one. A 4-port hub...
>
>This is something I can just walk into CompUSA and buy off the shelf? Or
>do I need more guidance than that?
>
>> ...and three cables will connect
>> you all up (assuming you have all the Ethernet cards already). The
>> hardest part of the wiring is running the cable
>
>For now, the machines will be in adjacent rooms on the same floor, so I
>think I can fake it. Evenutally I plan to wire the house not only for
>networking, but also for audio and video... but that's a project for
>another time.
>
>> The directory format issue is another thing, though. Even if you only
>> swap text files or Office documents that are compatible formats, the
>> machines still need to be able to "see" the connected resources of the
>> 'other' machines.
>
>This may not be that hard after all: I know the Macs will mount
>PC-formatted drives (floppies, CDs, Zips) w/no problem. If the same is
>true for fixed hard drives, I'm in. Even if the Win95 machine can't "see"
>the Mac drives, if the Macs can read and write to it, all my short-term
>goals are met. Frankly, if I can't get the Win95 machine onboard at all,
>it won't be a huge loss, as the thing I care most about is being able to
>share files between the two Macs.
As far as I know, most Macs from recent production will mount FAT file
systems. I'm not so sure about FAT32. I'd be pesimistic about NTFS.
I've also used Conversions Plus
(http://www.dataviz.com/products/conversionsplus/index.html) to read Mac
volumes from a PC. This assumes you have some mass-storage device in common...
and there are other issues that can crop up due to differences in the Mac and
PC file models.
If file transfer is adequate, with your network connection working, using FTP
to shove files back and forth as needed may be enough. But if you want more
direct support of the "foreign" file system, a couple of products to look at
are MacLan (http://www.miramar.com/MiramarWeb.nsf/web/prod_nav_nt_index) for
PC client to Mac as server connection, and Dave
(http://www.thursby.com/products/dave.html) for Mac client to PC as server
connection. I can't vouch for either, but they're often recommended to me. (I
use a Windows server with Mac Services or Linux running Samba and Netatalk;
both work fine, but each assumes you have a computer to use as the server. :)
>> I bet Filk may have some experience in this area--my knowledge is
>> really all theoretical.
>
>Any light he can shine into my empty, cobwebbed brain would be more than
>welcome!
>
>-JovBill
>
--
Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
"It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
-- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 20891
From: David Silver
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 16:27:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JovBill wrote:
[snip]
>
>>The directory format issue is another thing, though. Even if you only
>>swap text files or Office documents that are compatible formats, the
>>machines still need to be able to "see" the connected resources of the
>>'other' machines.
>>
>
> This may not be that hard after all: I know the Macs will mount
> PC-formatted drives (floppies, CDs, Zips) w/no problem. If the same is
> true for fixed hard drives, I'm in. Even if the Win95 machine can't "see"
> the Mac drives, if the Macs can read and write to it, all my short-term
> goals are met. Frankly, if I can't get the Win95 machine onboard at all,
> it won't be a huge loss, as the thing I care most about is being able to
> share files between the two Macs.
>
>
You might be able to do something on your iMac with Virtual PC to run
the Win95 machine under the ethernet set-up you propose, JovBill.
Virtual PC runs nicely on the iMac I have, which only has 500 Mhz
processor speed. Over on alt.fan.heinlein, there's a regular participant
named Mike Craig who was until recently a bob for Connetix who can
probably tell you if it's possible. I doubt whether you can use the 6200
Performa the same way, because VirtualPC (even the real old versions
assuming you can find them) requires a bit more speed than the 6200 can
deliver (unless you slip a 6360 mother board in it), but Mike again
would be the one to ask. EMail me if you want Mike's EMail address.
David
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Article 20892
From: Dean White"
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:23:14 -0600
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3CA8E876.4906C929@ix.netcom.com...
> Thanks for the info.
>
> JT wrote:
>
> > Wiring is the easy one. A 4-port hub...
>
> This is something I can just walk into CompUSA and buy off the shelf? Or
> do I need more guidance than that?
>
> > ...and three cables will connect
> > you all up (assuming you have all the Ethernet cards already). The
> > hardest part of the wiring is running the cable
Yep, CompUSA, BestBuy or the like mostly the rest is just plug and play.
--
Dean White
www.DeanWhite.net
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Article 20893
From: David Silver
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:25:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Dean White wrote:
> "Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:3CA8E876.4906C929@ix.netcom.com...
>
>>Thanks for the info.
>>
>>JT wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Wiring is the easy one. A 4-port hub...
>>>
>>This is something I can just walk into CompUSA and buy off the shelf? Or
>>do I need more guidance than that?
>>
>>
>>>...and three cables will connect
>>>you all up (assuming you have all the Ethernet cards already). The
>>>hardest part of the wiring is running the cable
>>>
>
> Yep, CompUSA, BestBuy or the like mostly the rest is just plug and play.
Get an Asante router, btw, JovBill. Some of the other companies don't
support Mac too well, so I was told.
David
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Article 20894
From: David Silver
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:28:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David Silver wrote:
> Dean White wrote:
>
>> "Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> news:3CA8E876.4906C929@ix.netcom.com...
>>
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>> JT wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wiring is the easy one. A 4-port hub...
>>>>
>>> This is something I can just walk into CompUSA and buy off the shelf? Or
>>> do I need more guidance than that?
>>>
>>>
>>>> ...and three cables will connect
>>>> you all up (assuming you have all the Ethernet cards already). The
>>>> hardest part of the wiring is running the cable
>>>>
>>
>> Yep, CompUSA, BestBuy or the like mostly the rest is just plug and play.
>
>
>
> Get an Asante router, btw, JovBill. Some of the other companies don't
> support Mac too well, so I was told.
>
And you will need an Ethernet card installed for the 6200, unless you
already have one. Wish I hadn't junked (er, donated) my 6200 after the
drive finally crashed. I'd mail you mine, but they're cheap.
David
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Article 20895
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:21:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David Silver wrote:
> And you will need an Ethernet card installed for the 6200, unless you
> already have one.
My curent machine is actually a Power Computing PowerBase 180, a PowerPC
603e-based clone (from that brief, shining moment in MacHistory when there
*were* Mac clones); I'm 99 44/100 percent sure it's got built-in ethernet (I'll
check the system profile to be sure, before I go to the store).
Thank you very much -- and thank to the other folks who've responded, too --
for all the good advice.
-JovBill
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Article 20896
From: SpaceCadet
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 04:53:56 -0600
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filk,
Could it have been the Rhine River? Try going to
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/
parisnoir.htm and searching the document for 369th. The
369th Regiment's combat experience is mentioned first.
Then, toward the end of the article, there is mention of the
the 369th Regiment jazz band.
The 369th was known as the the Harlem Hellfighters. If you
do a Google search on "Harlem Hellfighters" and Rhine, you
get lots of pages. The 369th Infantry Regiment may not be
the right guys, but their history makes for some interesting
reading.
Carol
Filksinger wrote:
>
> Thanks. Got your map, and am looking it over. I don't think it was the Arne,
> though. It sounds very much like Aim or Ain, and is repeated twice. So much
> like those, in fact, that I doubt any sound other than "h" could be in the
> word and still sound like this, though silent letters could likely be in
> there.
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
> "Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:3ca62368.0@news.sff.net...
> > Filksinger, try the Arne River. Just a guess.
> > Later,
> > `rita
> >
> >
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Article 20897
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:31:42 -0800
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3ca8c9e0.103503359@news.sff.net...
<snip>
> I bet Filk may have some experience in this area--my knowledge is
> really all theoretical.
Mine is at least as theoretical as yours. I have no experience whatsoever
with networking Macs, except from the extremely limited point of view of
setting up/troubleshooting dial-up connections on the phone, at which I
merely suck.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 20898
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:35:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"SpaceCadet" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
news:3CA98DC4.A58CF77@planet-save.com...
> Filk,
>
> Could it have been the Rhine River?
No. The word in the song sounds to be quite clearly "ain" or "aim". I just
don't know what it is, or how to spell it. I've come to the conclusion that
I am probably just going to have to go to the library and find a book on
Martha Keller.
> Try going to
> www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/
> parisnoir.htm and searching the document for 369th. The
> 369th Regiment's combat experience is mentioned first.
> Then, toward the end of the article, there is mention of the
> the 369th Regiment jazz band.
>
> The 369th was known as the the Harlem Hellfighters. If you
> do a Google search on "Harlem Hellfighters" and Rhine, you
> get lots of pages. The 369th Infantry Regiment may not be
> the right guys, but their history makes for some interesting
> reading.
Thanks for the link. The Harlem Hellfighters are clearly who the poem is
about. The song's composer and singer apparently wasn't aware of this,
quite, as his intro indicates that he thinks it is about blacks who took
holiday on the front, rather than a regiment assigned to the front by a
different command. The words, which he didn't write, however, are clearly
about the 369th.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 20899
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:52:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:31:42 -0800, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
>news:3ca8c9e0.103503359@news.sff.net...
><snip>
>> I bet Filk may have some experience in this area--my knowledge is
>> really all theoretical.
>
>Mine is at least as theoretical as yours. I have no experience whatsoever
>with networking Macs, except from the extremely limited point of view of
>setting up/troubleshooting dial-up connections on the phone, at which I
>merely suck.
>--
LOL, Filk. I can do lots from the "enterprise" viewpoint, but when
you get down to peer-to-peer networking and throw in Mac-vs-PC I need
to break out the George Dickel. <VBG>
I never have to spend my own money at work. ;)
I had forgotten about FTP, that's probably the cheapest software
solution of all. I can vouch for Conversions Plus as a very useful
utility; I think the deluxe version of it includes something that
mounts the file system of a hard drive, but since I have never had to
use that part of it I don't know for sure.
JT
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Article 20900
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 13:56:40 -0800
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3ca4b178.0@news.sff.net...
> I am trying to make out and transcribe the words to "The Ballad of Esau's
> Sons". The music is by Michael Longcor, the words are from a poem by
Martha
> Keller.
I have it. The Aisne, a river in France, is pronounced "ain".
And, yes, it is the 369th that the poem and song are specifically about.
"Harlem's Hellfighters". Hence the lines "Three thousand miles from Harlem's
air/ They won in war the Croix de Guerre".
Filksinger
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Article 20901
From: SpaceCadet
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:52:03 -0600
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filk,
Even if it had been a dead end, the search was fun. I
especially enjoyed learning about James Reese Europe the
leader of the 369th's band. He was quite a musician!
Thank you for being the catalyst.
Carol
(see http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/jreurope.htm for info
on him.)
Filksinger wrote:
> > I am trying to make out and transcribe the words to "The Ballad of Esau's
> > Sons". The music is by Michael Longcor, the words are from a poem by
> Martha Keller.
>
> I have it. The Aisne, a river in France, is pronounced "ain".
>
> And, yes, it is the 369th that the poem and song are specifically about.
> "Harlem's Hellfighters". Hence the lines "Three thousand miles from Harlem's
> air/ They won in war the Croix de Guerre".
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Article 20902
From: SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 04:13:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3caa26b7.12251171@news.sff.net>, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 11:31:42 -0800, "Filksinger"
><filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
>>news:3ca8c9e0.103503359@news.sff.net...
>><snip>
>>> I bet Filk may have some experience in this area--my knowledge is
>>> really all theoretical.
>>
>>Mine is at least as theoretical as yours. I have no experience whatsoever
>>with networking Macs, except from the extremely limited point of view of
>>setting up/troubleshooting dial-up connections on the phone, at which I
>>merely suck.
>>--
>LOL, Filk. I can do lots from the "enterprise" viewpoint, but when
>you get down to peer-to-peer networking and throw in Mac-vs-PC I need
>to break out the George Dickel. <VBG>
>
>I never have to spend my own money at work. ;)
>
>I had forgotten about FTP, that's probably the cheapest software
>solution of all. I can vouch for Conversions Plus as a very useful
>utility; I think the deluxe version of it includes something that
>mounts the file system of a hard drive, but since I have never had to
>use that part of it I don't know for sure.
I think the've been down to just one version of Conversions Plus for a while
now, though I think I've seen minor variations in the name (as per "Suite",
etc.). Info at:
http://www.dataviz.com/products/conversionsplus/index.html
Devices supported in a list at:
http://www.dataviz.com/products/conversionsplus/CP_mofeatrs.html
I don't think they mention it, but for forensic purposes I've backed up a Mac
SCSI drive block-by-block to a file then restored it to an IDE drive and
Conversions Plus mounted and read the result. Pretty cool, and not that
expensive a product considering it also includes translators for viewing
several file formats.
>JT
>
>
--
Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
"It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
-- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 20903
From: Filksinger"
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:13:56 -0800
Subject: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I just saw this on the newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, and was wondering if
anyone knew anything about it, knew if it was true, knew if it was two years
old, etc.
************
Harlan Ellison asked this to be disseminated widely:
A few minutes ago I received a phone call from Isaac Asimov's widow,
Dr.
Janet Jeppson. She was more distraught than I've heard her manifest at
any
time since Isaac's passing. She was calling from New York City to
report that
in the current issue of LOCUS, Charlie Brown (or whoever) has
published a
belated article reprising the epilogue of Isaac's memoir (as edited by
Janet),
IT'S BEEN A GOOD LIFE, in which it was revealed--by Janet--that at the
time of
his death, Isaac had developed AIDS from a tainted blood transfusion
during
hisheart surgery in the '80s.
But Charlie--or whoever wrote the piece--clearly had not READ the
epilogue, and proceeds to state that (I'm paraphrasing, from Janet's
precis; I
don't get LOCUS) Isaac wanted to reveal his malaise, but was "talked
out of it
by his wife, Janet Jeppson."
From Janet's lips to my ear to you: "That is clearly, absolutely,
hurtfully UNTRUE!"
Janet is TERRIBLY UPSET at this egregious misreading of history, and
she
called Charlie Brown, who said he'd run a correction . . . next issue.
A month
from now.
Janet does not want this to stand unchallenged for a month. She has
asked me
to help her spread the word. So I ASK YOU to go everywhere you post,
in every
nook and cranny of the web, on every site you can contact, and CORRECT
this
slovenly fan-babble error before it gains any coin. LOCUS is hardly
The New
York Times, and the level of its checking and vetting is somewhere
close to
nonexistent. A "correction" will probably appear in a small box on the
indicia
page: Charlie doesn't like to have to recant.
So fly, my blue monkeys; fly fly fly!!!
Every village and hamlet and waystation . . . let the voice of TRUTH
ring out.
If you loved Isaac, and if you loved him one-fifth as much as he loved
Janet.
.. . honor his memory by serving this tiny favor she has asked of me,
and you
by extension.
Thank you. Yr. pal, Harlan
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Article 20904
From: Voxwoman
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:23:38 -0500
Subject: Re: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Another version of the same story is up on the sf critique list, from
the moderator, so I would assume it's valid, and new.
-Wendy
(saddened by this news.)
Filksinger wrote:
> I just saw this on the newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, and was wondering if
> anyone knew anything about it, knew if it was true, knew if it was two years
> old, etc.
>
> ************
>
> Harlan Ellison asked this to be disseminated widely:
>
> A few minutes ago I received a phone call from Isaac Asimov's widow,
> Dr.
> Janet Jeppson. She was more distraught than I've heard her manifest at
> any
> time since Isaac's passing. She was calling from New York City to
> report that
> in the current issue of LOCUS, Charlie Brown (or whoever) has
> published a
> belated article reprising the epilogue of Isaac's memoir (as edited by
> Janet),
> IT'S BEEN A GOOD LIFE, in which it was revealed--by Janet--that at the
> time of
> his death, Isaac had developed AIDS from a tainted blood transfusion
> during
> hisheart surgery in the '80s.
>
> But Charlie--or whoever wrote the piece--clearly had not READ the
> epilogue, and proceeds to state that (I'm paraphrasing, from Janet's
> precis; I
> don't get LOCUS) Isaac wanted to reveal his malaise, but was "talked
> out of it
> by his wife, Janet Jeppson."
>
> From Janet's lips to my ear to you: "That is clearly, absolutely,
> hurtfully UNTRUE!"
>
> Janet is TERRIBLY UPSET at this egregious misreading of history, and
> she
> called Charlie Brown, who said he'd run a correction . . . next issue.
> A month
> from now.
>
> Janet does not want this to stand unchallenged for a month. She has
> asked me
> to help her spread the word. So I ASK YOU to go everywhere you post,
> in every
> nook and cranny of the web, on every site you can contact, and CORRECT
> this
> slovenly fan-babble error before it gains any coin. LOCUS is hardly
> The New
> York Times, and the level of its checking and vetting is somewhere
> close to
> nonexistent. A "correction" will probably appear in a small box on the
> indicia
> page: Charlie doesn't like to have to recant.
>
> So fly, my blue monkeys; fly fly fly!!!
>
> Every village and hamlet and waystation . . . let the voice of TRUTH
> ring out.
> If you loved Isaac, and if you loved him one-fifth as much as he loved
> Janet.
> . . honor his memory by serving this tiny favor she has asked of me,
> and you
> by extension.
>
> Thank you. Yr. pal, Harlan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
----------
support independent music!
http://www.musicforthegoddess.com
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Article 20905
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 22:01:16 -0500
Subject: Re: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3cab9b15.0@news.sff.net>, Filksinger writes...
> I just saw this on the newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, and was wondering if
> anyone knew anything about it, knew if it was true, knew if it was two years
> old, etc.
All I can tell you is that I received it as an email today from a friend.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20906
From: Filksinger"
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:24:16 -0800
Subject: Re: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I have been told by a respected third party that it is at Harlan's own
website, though I can't find it on the site. The Locus article just came
out.
Apparently, Janet is objecting, not to the claim that Isaac died of AIDS,
but that she urged him to hide it. Apparently, she urged him to admit it,
but the Locus article claims that he hid it at her urging, and thus has
upset her.
So, it appears to be verified. I'm not going further than that, after the
"Mandelbrot Monk" fiasco.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3cab9b15.0@news.sff.net...
> I just saw this on the newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, and was wondering if
> anyone knew anything about it, knew if it was true, knew if it was two
years
> old, etc.
>
> ************
>
> Harlan Ellison asked this to be disseminated widely:
>
> A few minutes ago I received a phone call from Isaac Asimov's widow,
> Dr.
> Janet Jeppson. She was more distraught than I've heard her manifest at
> any
> time since Isaac's passing. She was calling from New York City to
> report that
> in the current issue of LOCUS, Charlie Brown (or whoever) has
> published a
> belated article reprising the epilogue of Isaac's memoir (as edited by
> Janet),
> IT'S BEEN A GOOD LIFE, in which it was revealed--by Janet--that at the
> time of
> his death, Isaac had developed AIDS from a tainted blood transfusion
> during
> hisheart surgery in the '80s.
>
> But Charlie--or whoever wrote the piece--clearly had not READ the
> epilogue, and proceeds to state that (I'm paraphrasing, from Janet's
> precis; I
> don't get LOCUS) Isaac wanted to reveal his malaise, but was "talked
> out of it
> by his wife, Janet Jeppson."
>
> From Janet's lips to my ear to you: "That is clearly, absolutely,
> hurtfully UNTRUE!"
>
> Janet is TERRIBLY UPSET at this egregious misreading of history, and
> she
> called Charlie Brown, who said he'd run a correction . . . next issue.
> A month
> from now.
>
> Janet does not want this to stand unchallenged for a month. She has
> asked me
> to help her spread the word. So I ASK YOU to go everywhere you post,
> in every
> nook and cranny of the web, on every site you can contact, and CORRECT
> this
> slovenly fan-babble error before it gains any coin. LOCUS is hardly
> The New
> York Times, and the level of its checking and vetting is somewhere
> close to
> nonexistent. A "correction" will probably appear in a small box on the
> indicia
> page: Charlie doesn't like to have to recant.
>
> So fly, my blue monkeys; fly fly fly!!!
>
> Every village and hamlet and waystation . . . let the voice of TRUTH
> ring out.
> If you loved Isaac, and if you loved him one-fifth as much as he loved
> Janet.
> . . honor his memory by serving this tiny favor she has asked of me,
> and you
> by extension.
>
> Thank you. Yr. pal, Harlan
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Article 20907
From: Filksinger"
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:24:20 -0800
Subject: Re: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
One more clarification. While Isaac Asimov was infected with HIV, I do not
have proof that he died of either HIV or AIDS. He simply contracted it
during surgery, probably from tainted blood.
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3cacb68d.0@news.sff.net...
> I have been told by a respected third party that it is at Harlan's own
> website, though I can't find it on the site. The Locus article just came
> out.
>
> Apparently, Janet is objecting, not to the claim that Isaac died of AIDS,
> but that she urged him to hide it. Apparently, she urged him to admit it,
> but the Locus article claims that he hid it at her urging, and thus has
> upset her.
>
> So, it appears to be verified. I'm not going further than that, after the
> "Mandelbrot Monk" fiasco.
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
> "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:3cab9b15.0@news.sff.net...
> > I just saw this on the newsgroup alt.books.m-lackey, and was wondering
if
> > anyone knew anything about it, knew if it was true, knew if it was two
> years
> > old, etc.
> >
> > ************
> >
> > Harlan Ellison asked this to be disseminated widely:
> >
> > A few minutes ago I received a phone call from Isaac Asimov's widow,
> > Dr.
> > Janet Jeppson. She was more distraught than I've heard her manifest at
> > any
> > time since Isaac's passing. She was calling from New York City to
> > report that
> > in the current issue of LOCUS, Charlie Brown (or whoever) has
> > published a
> > belated article reprising the epilogue of Isaac's memoir (as edited by
> > Janet),
> > IT'S BEEN A GOOD LIFE, in which it was revealed--by Janet--that at the
> > time of
> > his death, Isaac had developed AIDS from a tainted blood transfusion
> > during
> > hisheart surgery in the '80s.
> >
> > But Charlie--or whoever wrote the piece--clearly had not READ the
> > epilogue, and proceeds to state that (I'm paraphrasing, from Janet's
> > precis; I
> > don't get LOCUS) Isaac wanted to reveal his malaise, but was "talked
> > out of it
> > by his wife, Janet Jeppson."
> >
> > From Janet's lips to my ear to you: "That is clearly, absolutely,
> > hurtfully UNTRUE!"
> >
> > Janet is TERRIBLY UPSET at this egregious misreading of history, and
> > she
> > called Charlie Brown, who said he'd run a correction . . . next issue.
> > A month
> > from now.
> >
> > Janet does not want this to stand unchallenged for a month. She has
> > asked me
> > to help her spread the word. So I ASK YOU to go everywhere you post,
> > in every
> > nook and cranny of the web, on every site you can contact, and CORRECT
> > this
> > slovenly fan-babble error before it gains any coin. LOCUS is hardly
> > The New
> > York Times, and the level of its checking and vetting is somewhere
> > close to
> > nonexistent. A "correction" will probably appear in a small box on the
> > indicia
> > page: Charlie doesn't like to have to recant.
> >
> > So fly, my blue monkeys; fly fly fly!!!
> >
> > Every village and hamlet and waystation . . . let the voice of TRUTH
> > ring out.
> > If you loved Isaac, and if you loved him one-fifth as much as he loved
> > Janet.
> > . . honor his memory by serving this tiny favor she has asked of me,
> > and you
> > by extension.
> >
> > Thank you. Yr. pal, Harlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Article 20908
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 04 Apr 2002 16:59:51 -0800
Subject: Re: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> writes:
> So, it appears to be verified. I'm not going further than that, after the
> "Mandelbrot Monk" fiasco.
What was the "Mandelbrot Monk" fiasco? Google turned up the hoax, but
I'm not sure how it's a fiasco.
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Article 20909
From: Filksinger"
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:23:40 -0800
Subject: Re: A Plea from Ellison?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Berry Kercheval" <berry@kerch.com> wrote in message
news:o1ydv7yew.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com...
> "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> writes:
> > So, it appears to be verified. I'm not going further than that, after
the
> > "Mandelbrot Monk" fiasco.
>
>
> What was the "Mandelbrot Monk" fiasco? Google turned up the hoax, but
> I'm not sure how it's a fiasco.
Well, it was released in 1999. I first saw it in September of 2000. Somebody
who bought the hoax had posted it to a different web page, dated for when he
posted it (not April 1st). I did some searching, and found it listed in a
number of locations, such as university news letters, and in multiple
languages (it was found on a university website as a PDF in Spanish, at the
University of Mexico, I believe). Since the versions I saw were all dated
something _other_ than April 1st, I believed it. (A later search of the PDF
showed that the Spanish word for April didn't appear anywhere in the
document, and it was dated in November, IIRC.)
So, when I was on rec.music.filk, I claimed it was true, and as proof,
posted a link to the first webpage I found. Dated April 1st, 1999. To make
matters worse, I was new on the newsgroup, and had no reputation for
reliable knowledge of any sort.
DOH!
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 20910
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 10:03:01 GMT
Subject: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
If you haven't visited my Heinlein page recently, I've added a new
article I wrote about Heinlein's ancestry and family migration
history. I plan to follow it up at some time in the next few months
with another about their Civil War history and the influence of
Missouri's unique Civil War experience on several of Heinlein's works.
If anyone has pieces they've written about Heinlein or any of his
works you'd like to share let me know (or would like to write some).
I'd especially like to add reviews of his books but just don't have
time to write them myself. The Heinlein page is one of my highest hit
pages now and I get a lot of email questions from folks. One just
asked for the best order to read RAH's books--be nice to have an
article about that up.
I'm also putting up my sf/historical/romance novel "Of All the
Western Stars" on my home page a chapter at a time. I wrote this novel
while Geo and I were having our on-line romance ;-) Seventh wedding
anniversary coming up on the 15th! And April 2002 also makes our tenth
anniversary meeting on-line and with the Heinlein Forum! (April 1992
with a 2400 baud modem and a free month of Prodigy...)
http://www.dahoudek.com
The Laura Ingalls Wilder pages have grown too--pictures of DeSmet
and Mansfield, and a bio of Rose Wilder Lane.
The Civil War site is growing/has grown tremendously--I work on it
quite a bit. Geo and I also have created a CDROM called "Civil War
Missouri Reader Vol I" of five Civil War Missouri books, all important
works and some extremely rare. I've had a couple non-fiction articles
solicited too, which is kinda neat. Though they don't pay, it's not
only nice to be asked but they're publications I'm happy to have my
writing in.
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
On the home front... Geo got a nifty promotion at his work. I left
the PBS station and am now back at the NBC station part-time and ever
so much happier there. Geo and I now have Saturdays off together.
We've gone out to dinner and movies together and all sorts of other
such rare together-type events (saw "Lord of the Rings" twice!). My
25th high school reunion is coming up this summer and I'm hoping to
get back home for that.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20911
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 01:23:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 10:03:01 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
> The Heinlein page is one of my highest hit
>pages now and I get a lot of email questions from folks. One just
>asked for the best order to read RAH's books--be nice to have an
>article about that up.
>
I think Jim's RAH FAQ answers the "order" question a little bit.
I was surprised to see that the HF page counter was up over 11,000
hits. For something with little publicity, that's kinda nice to see.
JT
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Article 20912
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:21:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> Yes, they were at the Marne.
>
> T
>
> P.S. Hi everybody!
Hi, Tina! Welcome to the HF. I'm surprised JT hasn't made you do a formal
introduction yet.
I'm trying like mad to get caught up on the groups.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 20913
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:22:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer Help -- Networking
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Apr 2002 00:42:36 -0400, Bill Dauphin
> <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >PS: Mara had a new set of MRI and CT scans last week; all still clear,
> >so far.
> >
> In the future, lead off with the best news!!! <G>
>
What JT said!
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 20914
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:23:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I am a stealth poster. :)
T
Eli Hestermann wrote in message <3CB18B43.1E12EFFC@dfci.harvard.edu>...
>Kristina Forsyth wrote:
>
>> Yes, they were at the Marne.
>>
>> T
>>
>> P.S. Hi everybody!
>
>Hi, Tina! Welcome to the HF. I'm surprised JT hasn't made you do a formal
>introduction yet.
>
>I'm trying like mad to get caught up on the groups.
>
>--
>Eli V. Hestermann
>Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
>"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
>
>
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Article 20915
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 23:09:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:21:23 -0400, Eli Hestermann
<Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
>Hi, Tina! Welcome to the HF. I'm surprised JT hasn't made you do a formal
>introduction yet.
>
{Slaps Eli with a wet noodle} I learned -years- ago you can't "make"
this group do anything. I guess I read through the group too fast
that day and missed Tina's post.
Hi Tina! You are welcome to tell us as much or as little as you'd
like about yourself by way of introductions.
I most recently posted about myself on 3/15 in a topic called "Intro
was RE: Another Announcement". Those of you out there who haven't
posted recently are welcome to re-introduce yourself, also.
Just for general information's sake--the HF maintains a page at:
http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ .
JT
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Article 20916
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:56:02 -0400
Subject: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
OK, since I got taken to task for slipping in a stealth health update,
I'll give y'all a full-up one:
Mara's through 9 out of 17 rounds of chemo, and she continues to do
well. She finished her 5-week course of radiation in February, and is
now pretty much over the very minor side effects of that... except that
she's started having regular post-chemo fevers again, just as she did
when she first started on the regimen. It's really more annoying that
dangerous: She has to spend 48 hr in the hospital while they work up a
blood culture and give her IV antibiotics, but so far <knock wood> she's
never cultured anything, and the fever comes right down.
We just came home today from one of those fever admissions, and she goes
back in for chemo on Monday... I'm thankful we have such a good hospital
right here in town. If we had to travel for all these treatments, it'd
be a real burden. I know that's the case for some of our fellow patient
families. Anyway, as I said in my other post, she had a new set of MRI
and CT scans recently, and everything still looks clear, so we continue
to be very hopeful.
We did have a sad and somewhat spooky experience: A 14 year old boy
who'd been our "neighbor" on the oncology floor for many of Mara's
visits died last week. He had leukemia (don't ask me which type, Eli...
all I know is it *wasn't* ALL, which I gather is the easiest to treat),
and his prognosis had never been quite as positive as Mara's, but his
family had been full of hope -- planning a trip to Boston for the bone
marrow transplant that would have capped his therapy -- as recently as a
few weeks ago. I hardly knew him (he was in isolation most of the time),
but Anne had become fairly close with his mother (the onco families --
especially the mothers who stay in with their kids -- become a sort of
social club), and I'd been looking forward to getting to know Dan better
after he got well. We went to his wake Friday night. While this has NOT
shaken my faith in Mara's recovery, it's sobering to reflect on the fact
that Dan looked just as strong and happy as Mara the last time we saw
him.
On to happier things: After I ordered our new computer (I confirmed
today that it's on the truck!), Mara surprised me by saying whe wanted
to learn how to write computer programs. I said I thought that was
great, and added that I'd like to study with her. So here's my question:
What's the best environment for self-teaching programming? Since I'll
have VirtualPC/Win XP Home, I'm no longer limited to MacOS packages.
Should we try Visual BASIC? Visual C/C++? Something else I've never
heard of? On the MacOS side, I've seen ads for something called
RealBASIC (though I don't know anything about it)), and I know
MetroWerks has a low-cost "learn to program" version of its Codewarrior
package. Or maybe, since Mara is into making Web pages these days, we
should be looking at Java/JavaScript or other Web scripting languages. I
have -- in the distant past, back in the days when programs had line
numbers and GOTO statements -- a little bit of BASIC experience and one
college-level FORTRAN class, but I'm effectively as much a newbie as
Mara is. What we're looking for is the best way to have some fun and
learn some basics... without spending huge $$s on programming software
(at least at first <g>). Any thoughts?
And since I've mentioned Mara's Web interests, let me remind you that
you still have some time to get in on the BrainStorm Cat Haiku contest!
Check it out at: http://pw2.netcom.com/~dauphinb/contest_rules.htm
-JovBill
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Article 20917
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:15:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>
>Just for general information's sake--the HF maintains a page at:
>http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ .
>
I messed up your links again. The link to my photo album has changed
(I'm trying to stop people hotlinking to my graphics which burns up
bandwidth). My main RAH page, which itself includes a lot of pictures,
is:
http://www.dahoudek.com/heinlein/index.html (this never changes)
and the new photo album main page url is:
http://www.dahoudek.com/pages/photo.htm (this one shouldn't change as
I've now moved the images into separate directories--the image
directories _will_ change, probably weekly).
Your link to Gifford's faq is outdated too.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20918
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:15:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>I was surprised to see that the HF page counter was up over 11,000
>hits. For something with little publicity, that's kinda nice to see.
I don't know if you ever check the stats on the webring I started,
but it moves a lot of traffic through the RAH sites--which in turn
gets people linking to them. The Heinlein Society, though, took the
web code off its pages but still I hesitate to remove them from the
ring even though they're a deadend on it right now.
I'm getting over 100 visitors per day to my Heinlein pages. My Laura
Ingalls Wilder pages are fighting the RAH page for first place, though
I still get most of my guestbook entries from the Heinlein page
visitors. (our Civil War St. Louis site is at over 700 visitors per
day now).
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20919
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:15:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>OK, since I got taken to task for slipping in a stealth health update,
>I'll give y'all a full-up one:
Glad you did... and that the good news continues.
If she's into webpages she needs html, of course (I suppose she
already does). Beyond that Javascript does some fun stuff (I'm getting
into that). The nice part about learning these--at least at this
point--is that there are immediate, visible results of the programming
that can be put up online. Lots of web code languages beyond but
that's the order I'd start in.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20920
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:01:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:15:17 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
> Your link to Gifford's faq is outdated too.
>
Yeah, seems like every time I change it he decides it's time to
reorganize. ;) Since I'm professional enough to run a link-checker
periodically, there it sits. At least he's got redirectors up
(Thanks, Jim!).
My next bit of free time is scheduled right now for 2005-- I'll get to
it by then, I promise. <VBG>
JT
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Article 20921
From: David Silver
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 19:10:45 -0700
Subject: Re: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>>I was surprised to see that the HF page counter was up over 11,000
>>hits. For something with little publicity, that's kinda nice to see.
>>
>
> I don't know if you ever check the stats on the webring I started,
> but it moves a lot of traffic through the RAH sites--which in turn
> gets people linking to them. The Heinlein Society, though, took the
> web code off its pages but still I hesitate to remove them from the
> ring even though they're a deadend on it right now.
>
Sorry we had to do that, Deb. A Board member exercised a point of
personal privilege because of the existence of another site in the ring.
The fact that clicking "next" on the webring put her directly onto
*that* specific page, whose author is very objectionable to her, became
a very serious issue to her. And she forced a Board vote over her point
of personal privilege. I'm wondering how we can avoid being a deadend on
the link. If we were to put up, perhaps on our links page, something
like what you have on your page listing various specific sites, would
that have any effect in eliminating the deadend?
Any other suggestion how to avoid it?
--
David M. Silver
Secretary Treasurer
The Heinlein Society
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.readinggroupsonline.com/groups/heinlein.htm
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt (jg)., USN R'td (1907-1988)
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Article 20922
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 23:02:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
> If she's into webpages she needs html, of course (I suppose she
> already does).
Actually, neither she nor I has done any direct HTML coding: We've done
all our Web stuff using the built-in Composer module of Netscape
Communicator. I know that's a lame and humiliatingly un-geeky thing to
have to admit to, but there it is. ;^)
-JovBill
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Article 20923
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:30:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Sorry we had to do that, Deb. A Board member exercised a point of
>personal privilege because of the existence of another site in the ring.
>
Wish you'd have said something. I can rearrange the order of the
ring if I know which site you want to avoid contact with (though I
think I know which one you mean).
>the link. If we were to put up, perhaps on our links page, something
>like what you have on your page listing various specific sites, would
>that have any effect in eliminating the deadend?
I can revise the ring code to take it to any individual page in your
site (non-framed preferred). A links page would be fine, or any other
you think would be appropriate.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20924
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 07:30:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>
>Actually, neither she nor I has done any direct HTML coding: We've done
>all our Web stuff using the built-in Composer module of Netscape
>Communicator. I know that's a lame and humiliatingly un-geeky thing to
>have to admit to, but there it is. ;^)
In that case let me recommend MS Frontpage. It's very friendly for
non-html users yet lets you advance to the point where you can do as
much or as little hand-coding as you like. Easy to learn html from it
by doing something then clicking to the html and seeing how it wrote
the code.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20925
From: David Silver
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:37:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>>Sorry we had to do that, Deb. A Board member exercised a point of
>>personal privilege because of the existence of another site in the ring.
>>
>>
> Wish you'd have said something.
I thought "we" had, sadly a month or so later, we had to arrange a new
website and 'webmaster' for several reasons. I'll do better or see to it
that an appropriate person does better next time anything comes up.
> I can rearrange the order of the
> ring if I know which site you want to avoid contact with (though I
> think I know which one you mean).
>
>
I'm sure your guess is correct. The antipathy that exists between that
person and the Board member is very well known.
>
>>the link. If we were to put up, perhaps on our links page, something
>>like what you have on your page listing various specific sites, would
>>that have any effect in eliminating the deadend?
>>
>
> I can revise the ring code to take it to any individual page in your
> site (non-framed preferred). A links page would be fine, or any other
> you think would be appropriate.
>
>
Let me explore a couple possibilities with the board member who has just
returned home from a serious stay in a medical facility. It might take
me a little time; but I've been looking for an excuse to resolve this,
the other pages subscribing to your Ring (save one) are simply too good
to ignore or harm because of a deadend. I'll have to seek out an
opportune moment, but I'll get back to you ASAP. ;-) Cat herding is fun!
David
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Article 20926
From: Voxwoman
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:19:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Yes but frontpage writes HORRIBLE code, and NS Composer just writes BAD
code...
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>>Actually, neither she nor I has done any direct HTML coding: We've done
>>all our Web stuff using the built-in Composer module of Netscape
>>Communicator. I know that's a lame and humiliatingly un-geeky thing to
>>have to admit to, but there it is. ;^)
>>
>
> In that case let me recommend MS Frontpage. It's very friendly for
> non-html users yet lets you advance to the point where you can do as
> much or as little hand-coding as you like. Easy to learn html from it
> by doing something then clicking to the html and seeing how it wrote
> the code.
>
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
>
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Article 20927
From: David Wright"
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:40:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Voxwoman" <VoxwomanN6@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3CB49054.40900@netscape.net...
> Yes but frontpage writes HORRIBLE code, and NS Composer just writes BAD
> code...
>
You might try 1st Page 2000. It's free at:
http://www.evrsoft.com/
David Wright
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Article 20928
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:33:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Yes but frontpage writes HORRIBLE code, and NS Composer just writes BAD
>code...
So I keep hearing from people who don't like Frontpage, yet I don't
see anything "HORRIBLE" when I look at the code it produces. And I
don't hear any complaints from my visitors.
The first two versions of Frontpage were nasty, it's true (and Geo
used to have to listen to me cuss about it). But the one I'm using now
and the previous version are just fine.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20929
From: Voxwoman
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:53:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
OK, that could be. I got burned bad on the early versions, and went on
to something that I do like (Homesite and Dreamweaver) and never looked
back. I never liked automatic code generators. It's a holdover from
writing assembly language that HAD to fit into 24Kbytes - there's a
beauty in efficiency of code. (at least to me). I would code in
assembler and be able to debug it in hours by looking at the Hex dumps,
while my colleagues scratched their heads for days, trying to decipher
what they had done in C. But that was the old days when memory was
expensive and small. And bread was a nickel. LOL.
-Wendy of NJ
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>>Yes but frontpage writes HORRIBLE code, and NS Composer just writes BAD
>>code...
>>
>
> So I keep hearing from people who don't like Frontpage, yet I don't
> see anything "HORRIBLE" when I look at the code it produces. And I
> don't hear any complaints from my visitors.
>
> The first two versions of Frontpage were nasty, it's true (and Geo
> used to have to listen to me cuss about it). But the one I'm using now
> and the previous version are just fine.
>
>
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
>
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