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Article 20930
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:41:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>OK, that could be. I got burned bad on the early versions, and went on
>to something that I do like (Homesite and Dreamweaver) and never looked
>back.
That makes sense. I didn't put anything the first version of
Frontpage produced online unless I ran it through Notepad first to
tidy it up, and alot of pages were easier to just do in Notepad in the
first place. Frontpage really has evolved into a fine program,
however.
I do know one or two people who still write their websites in pure
code in Notepad (and everyone goes "wow" when these folks say that),
but I don't see the point of doing that when I can _see_ what I'm
doing while I'm doing it without having to upload it, and save myself
alot of tedious, repetitious typing. I mean, once I've entered <p>
</p> to denote the start and end of a paragraph and know what it means
I really don't want to have to repeat those seven keystrokes dozens of
times on hundreds of web pages when the enter key does the same thing
in one keystroke. I recall my biggest problem programming in Fortran
was typos (on keypunch cards--couldn't backspace and correct).
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20931
From: David Silver
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:46:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
> I recall my biggest problem programming in Fortran
> was typos (on keypunch cards--couldn't backspace and correct).
>
Sure you could, on some card punch machines, if you had paper tape, glue
and scissors (and a lot of patience) handy. 'course, it was PL-1, not
Fortran, I was trying to use in those really darker ages. :-P~~~~~
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Article 20932
From: Teresa Redmond
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:15:36 -0400
Subject: Re: I got the parnoia blues
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Piggy-backing on to this post:
>On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:08:22 -0800, "Filksinger"
><filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>>
>>First, some basic information on "scumware". For more info, you can try
>>www.scumware.com.
>>
>>Scumware is software, usually "freeware", which spies on you or interferes
>>with other programs. In many cases, the "spyware" isn't doing anything that
>>I might not consider allowable, if they let me know it was happening, but
>>which I object to when it happens without warning. The key to deciding what
>>is scumware and what isn't is often defined by how much information the
>>manufacturer gives you as far as privacy policies, what is being installed,
>>what it does, and how to get rid of it.
>>
>>The two most common forms of scumware are spyware and hijackware. The first
>>is obvious (it spies on your browsing), the second is more sleazy.
>>
>>Lets suppose you are visiting www.google.com, and discover that they have
>>added ad banners or pop-up ads, even though they have repeatedly said that
>>they were opposed to these things. What's worse, the pop-up ads are
>>pornographic. You dump them, and try someone else, hating hypocrisy and
>>people who can't stick to their guns. Unbeknownst to you, the pop-up ads
>>were actually added by hijackware on your own computer. The hijackware
>>waited until you went to www.google.com, watched while you typed in your
>>search, and then gave you whatever it thought matched your search from its
>>ad database.
>>
>>Another variation of this sort of hijackware is found when banner ads on the
>>Internet are covered up by other banner ads supplied by scumware. So, I have
>>a banner on my website to support, say, Planned Parenthood, and they cover
>>it up with a porn banner. It looks as if a porn banner is part of my
>>website, when it most certainly is not.
>>
>>So, what can we do about this scumware?
>>
>>Well, Ad-Aware is an excellent start.
>>
>>Ad-Aware is software that detects scumware on your computer, and assists
>>you in removing it. This is an important niche product these days, because
>>anti-virus software doesn't consider these programs malicious, and therefore
>>doesn't work to detect them. Only Ad-aware and similar products do, and
>>Ad-aware is one of the best.
>>
>>Personally, I'd recommend it. Scumware is becoming cleverer and cleverer
>>about getting into your computer and doing its dirty work, and in many cases
>>it is sleazier than spam itself. I definitely suggest that you use it.
I have to add my commendation here. I found out about Ad-Aware on the
Microsoft public newsgroups, saved the article for later, and then
found myself the unwilling receiver of pop up ads at all times of the
day and night, even when I was not online. When I got Ad-Aware, which
is a free download (don't have the URL, have lost all my saved posts
in the copy of Agent that I use for that news server, long story...
grrrr!), and ran it, it found things living in my computer that I had
no idea were there, and when I deleted those things in the program,
all the hassle went away.
We've just re-configured this machine, my work laptop, with Win2K, and
I haven't run Ad-Aware yet, but I will as soon as I finish this post
because I've already got those pop-up ads like described above: one
comes up, then another covers it.
Speaking of this, I have to also recommend PopUp Stopper, which is a
dream for stopping that stuff. There are two levels of "defiance",
one stops only the ads, another stops *all* second instances (or
third, or whatever) of Internet Explorer from opening. This can be
wonderful, which I use, and it has an escape key (push ctrl when you
want the new instance to open) for use when you're using some website
that has little windows pop up for descriptions, composing your email,
whatever.
I have the files here for installation, and will zip them up and send
them to anyone here who sends me an email at my work address, tredmond
at anteon.com. They are freeware, so no worries there. Just drop me
a line if you would like me to send you the zip file.
Oh, and <waves> hi, all, I'm usually over in afh; David brought me
here. :-)
--
~teresa~
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
"Blert!!!" quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
email me at pixelmeow at aol dot com or yahoo dot com
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Yahoo Messenger ID = pixelmeow@yahoo.com
AIM id = pixelmeow
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Article 20933
From: Teresa Redmond
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 10:14:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:56:02 -0400, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> quoth:
>On to happier things: After I ordered our new computer (I confirmed
>today that it's on the truck!), Mara surprised me by saying whe wanted
>to learn how to write computer programs. I said I thought that was
>great, and added that I'd like to study with her. So here's my question:
>What's the best environment for self-teaching programming? Since I'll
>have VirtualPC/Win XP Home, I'm no longer limited to MacOS packages.
>Should we try Visual BASIC?
I use VB here at work, and I would recommend it highly for beginning
programmers. You can design forms just like any windows form, with
buttons, text boxes, all that stuff. The code in the background is
fairly straightforward, and there is a great newsgroup over on usenet
(microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion) to go to when you need help.
There are very many websites, also, that offer help, code, examples,
faqs, etc. Let me know if you would like some pointers, here.
>Visual C/C++?
I wouldn't recommend this as a starter. Only because the IDE
(programming environment) is geared more towards pure code, so far as
I have seen. I will be starting to learn this language today, though,
and may be able to give you more pointers later.
>Something else I've never
>heard of?
For pure code learning, I highly recommend Java, or Turbo Pascal. TP
is a top-down sort of language, purely functional as opposed to
object-oriented. This sort of thing is great, but it can make it hard
to go to something like Java, which is object-oriented. In order to
be up with the times, and really understand the future of software
engineering, Java is the way to go, so you don't have to do a paradigm
shift in your head (like I had to do) to go from functional
programming to object-oriented.
>On the MacOS side, I've seen ads for something called
>RealBASIC (though I don't know anything about it)), and I know
>MetroWerks has a low-cost "learn to program" version of its Codewarrior
>package. Or maybe, since Mara is into making Web pages these days, we
>should be looking at Java/JavaScript or other Web scripting languages.
I would recommend the latest version of FrontPage for web programming.
It has come a long way from its early days, and it does the scripting
for you, so you can see what's been done. But! Don't confuse
JavaScript with Java, they are NOT the same thing. Fortunately,
VBScript *is* Visual Basic in the code, just with slightly different
ways of calling other subs or functions. FrontPage can give you the
opportunity to use both, IIRC, and it's highly user friendly. Don't
go with Dreamweaver until you've gotten the hang of web design, 'cause
it's geared toward the experienced developer. Trust me on this.
>I
>have -- in the distant past, back in the days when programs had line
>numbers and GOTO statements -- a little bit of BASIC experience and one
>college-level FORTRAN class, but I'm effectively as much a newbie as
>Mara is. What we're looking for is the best way to have some fun and
>learn some basics... without spending huge $$s on programming software
>(at least at first <g>). Any thoughts?
Start with easy stuff, "Hello World" and all that, and work your way
up, just as if you were in a classroom environment. And feel free to
drop me a line if you need help/suggestions. :-)
--
~teresa~
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
"Blert!!!" quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
email me at pixelmeow at aol dot com or yahoo dot com
MSN messenger ID = pixelmeow@passport.com
Yahoo Messenger ID = pixelmeow@yahoo.com
AIM id = pixelmeow
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Article 20934
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 11 Apr 2002 09:26:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> For pure code learning, I highly recommend Java, or Turbo Pascal. TP
> is a top-down sort of language, purely functional as opposed to
> object-oriented.
Um, "functional" when applied to programming languages has a certain
technical meaning[1]. Pascal, any version of Pascal, is a "procedural"
language, which is probably what you meant.
[1] from the comp.lang.functional FAQ: "Functional programming is a
style of programming that emphasizes the evaluation of expressions,
rather than execution of commands. The expressions in these language
are formed by using functions to combine basic values. A functional
language is a language that supports and encourages programming in a
functional style."
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Article 20935
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 11 Apr 2002 09:27:34 -0700
Subject: Re: I got the parnoia blues
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> When I got Ad-Aware, which
> is a free download (don't have the URL, have lost all my saved posts
> in the copy of Agent that I use for that news server, long story...
> grrrr!)
http://www.lavasoftusa.com
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Article 20936
From: Teresa Redmond
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:58:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 11 Apr 2002 09:26:25 -0700, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum, Berry
Kercheval <berry@kerch.com> quoth:
>Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
>> For pure code learning, I highly recommend Java, or Turbo Pascal. TP
>> is a top-down sort of language, purely functional as opposed to
>> object-oriented.
>
>Um, "functional" when applied to programming languages has a certain
>technical meaning[1]. Pascal, any version of Pascal, is a "procedural"
>language, which is probably what you meant.
Um, pardon me, sir. I was not speaking technically; I was speaking to
laypeople, and did not mean to mis-speak myself to techies. I don't
expect laypeople to know the technical stuff, therefore I didn't try
to overwhelm anyone, or speak down to anyone. I know the difference
between a function and a procedure, in writing code, but that's a
whole different subject. The difference when applied to a language is
not something a layperson would know about, so I felt no need to get
into it. (and yes, any version of Pascal is procedural, I was not
expecting to have to be so exact) That's why I didn't provide a
definition for object oriented. I don't want to come into this group
spouting all sorts of techie language when all someone wants to know
is where to start. Beyond that, if anyone has questions, I'm more
than happy to answer. And if I mis-speak myself, because I'm talking
to laypeople, do accept my apology in advance.
Thanks for the definition, tho.
>
>[1] from the comp.lang.functional FAQ: "Functional programming is a
>style of programming that emphasizes the evaluation of expressions,
>rather than execution of commands. The expressions in these language
>are formed by using functions to combine basic values. A functional
>language is a language that supports and encourages programming in a
>functional style."
--
~teresa~
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
"Blert!!!" quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
email me at pixelmeow at aol dot com or yahoo dot com
MSN messenger ID = pixelmeow@passport.com
Yahoo Messenger ID = pixelmeow@yahoo.com
AIM id = pixelmeow
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Article 20937
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 11 Apr 2002 12:07:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> Um, pardon me, sir. I was not speaking technically; I was speaking to
> laypeople, and did not mean to mis-speak myself to techies.
No problem (and what's with this "sir" nonsense?); I was just afraid
that laypeople might get confused if they remembered the term
"functional language" and encountered it elsewhere in its more strict
sense. Otherwise it was a pretty fair summary.
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Article 20938
From: David Wright"
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:09:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Berry Kercheval" <berry@kerch.com> wrote in message
news:oofgq8amm.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com...
> Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> > For pure code learning, I highly recommend Java, or Turbo Pascal. TP
> > is a top-down sort of language, purely functional as opposed to
> > object-oriented.
>
> Um, "functional" when applied to programming languages has a certain
> technical meaning[1]. Pascal, any version of Pascal, is a "procedural"
> language, which is probably what you meant.
>
>
> [1] from the comp.lang.functional FAQ: "Functional programming is a
> style of programming that emphasizes the evaluation of expressions,
> rather than execution of commands. The expressions in these language
> are formed by using functions to combine basic values. A functional
> language is a language that supports and encourages programming in a
> functional style."
Can you give an example of a 'functional language' as defined here? Just
curious.
David Wright
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Article 20939
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 11 Apr 2002 13:12:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"David Wright" <dwrighsr@alltel.net> writes:
> "Berry Kercheval" <berry@kerch.com> wrote in message
> news:oofgq8amm.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com...
> > Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> > > For pure code learning, I highly recommend Java, or Turbo Pascal. TP
> > > is a top-down sort of language, purely functional as opposed to
> > > object-oriented.
> >
> > Um, "functional" when applied to programming languages has a certain
> > technical meaning[1]. Pascal, any version of Pascal, is a "procedural"
> > language, which is probably what you meant.
> >
> >
> > [1] from the comp.lang.functional FAQ: "Functional programming is a
> > style of programming that emphasizes the evaluation of expressions,
> > rather than execution of commands. The expressions in these language
> > are formed by using functions to combine basic values. A functional
> > language is a language that supports and encourages programming in a
> > functional style."
>
> Can you give an example of a 'functional language' as defined here? Just
> curious.
Sure. J, Haskell, ML, Erlang, Miranda and Scheme are some of the
"better" known functional languages. Mind you, outside of academic
computer science they are practically unknown, so it's not too
surprising if one hasn't heard of them.
For the curious, a "purely functional" language (Haskell, Miranda) is
one in which *all* computation is the result of function application.
In non-pure languages (ML, Scheme) side-effects are allowed; that is,
some result of the computation persists after the evaluation of the
function is done.
If this all makes no sense don't worry, only computer science
researchers really *need* to care. (and not all of them!)
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Article 20940
From: David Wright"
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:23:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Berry Kercheval" <berry@kerch.com> wrote in message
news:obscq805k.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com...
> "David Wright" <dwrighsr@alltel.net> writes:
>
>
(snip)
>
> Sure. J, Haskell, ML, Erlang, Miranda and Scheme are some of the
> "better" known functional languages. Mind you, outside of academic
> computer science they are practically unknown, so it's not too
> surprising if one hasn't heard of them.
>
> For the curious, a "purely functional" language (Haskell, Miranda) is
> one in which *all* computation is the result of function application.
> In non-pure languages (ML, Scheme) side-effects are allowed; that is,
> some result of the computation persists after the evaluation of the
> function is done.
>
> If this all makes no sense don't worry, only computer science
> researchers really *need* to care. (and not all of them!)
>
Thanks. I have an M.S. in computer science, but it's 32 years old and I
haven't kept up. It sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't quite get a
gripping hand on it.
David W.
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Article 20941
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:52:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Website Updates - Ten Years With the Forum
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>> I can rearrange the order of the
>> ring if I know which site you want to avoid contact with (though I
>> think I know which one you mean).
The ring has been rearranged and three new sites added (didn't know
they were there in queue--in changing my email address on dozens of
online accounts, totally forgot the webring one). One is a RAH site in
Hebrew. No idea what it says but nice graphics.
I twitched over one added that had a fair amount of quotes from
"Notebooks" and cover art--if any of the sites on the ring are
considered objectionable for copyright reasons, hope you'll let me
know--those will be pulled. I know Mrs. H checks out sites--she's
visited mine a couple times.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 20942
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:54:10 GMT
Subject: Re: I got the parnoia blues
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 11 Apr 2002 09:27:34 -0700, Berry Kercheval <berry@kerch.com>
wrote:
>Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
>> When I got Ad-Aware, which
>> is a free download (don't have the URL, have lost all my saved posts
>> in the copy of Agent that I use for that news server, long story...
>> grrrr!)
>
>http://www.lavasoftusa.com
Lots of new faces... Hi Teresa and Berry.
JT
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Article 20943
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:54:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:53:46 -0400, Voxwoman <VoxwomanN6@netscape.net>
wrote:
>OK, that could be. I got burned bad on the early versions, and went on
>to something that I do like (Homesite and Dreamweaver)
I'm probably still prejudiced by the early Front Page also. Didn't
like the way it auto-coded and hated the project model it imposed on
you. Any of the auto-generators produce "textbook" HTML which isn't
the way programmers usually code. ;)
I also like HomeSite. I started using it when the developer was still
selling it directly, before Allaire bought it. I'm stopped at version
4 because I have no need to upgrade. ;)
Bill, I don't think I voiced an opinion about programming, but mine is
that you both should play with VB. Look at how well Tomstaafl has
done with it--he and Anne are too busy counting their money to come
around here any more. <G,D,&R!!!>
JT
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Article 20944
From: Teresa Redmond
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:28:51 -0400
Subject: Re: I got the parnoia blues
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:54:10 GMT, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) quoth:
>On 11 Apr 2002 09:27:34 -0700, Berry Kercheval <berry@kerch.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> When I got Ad-Aware, which
>>> is a free download (don't have the URL, have lost all my saved posts
>>> in the copy of Agent that I use for that news server, long story...
>>> grrrr!)
>>
>>http://www.lavasoftusa.com
>
>Lots of new faces... Hi Teresa and Berry.
>
>JT
Hi, JT! Glad to meet you guys. :-)
--
~teresa~
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
"Blert!!!" quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
email me at pixelmeow at aol dot com or yahoo dot com
MSN messenger ID = pixelmeow@passport.com
Yahoo Messenger ID = pixelmeow@yahoo.com
AIM id = pixelmeow
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Article 20945
From: Teresa Redmond
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 20:30:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 11 Apr 2002 12:07:48 -0700, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum, Berry
Kercheval <berry@kerch.com> quoth:
>Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
>> Um, pardon me, sir. I was not speaking technically; I was speaking to
>> laypeople, and did not mean to mis-speak myself to techies.
>
>No problem (and what's with this "sir" nonsense?); I was just afraid
>that laypeople might get confused if they remembered the term
>"functional language" and encountered it elsewhere in its more strict
>sense. Otherwise it was a pretty fair summary.
Sorry, I took your post as being possibly chilly with me. Apologies
if I misread...
--
~teresa~
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
"Blert!!!" quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
email me at pixelmeow at aol dot com or yahoo dot com
MSN messenger ID = pixelmeow@passport.com
Yahoo Messenger ID = pixelmeow@yahoo.com
AIM id = pixelmeow
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Article 20946
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 11 Apr 2002 19:06:37 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> Sorry, I took your post as being possibly chilly with me. Apologies
> if I misread...
No problem, I just sound that way when I get all technical.
Hi guys...
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Article 20947
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:33:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi JT.
I met Eli elsewhere on sff.net, and he mentioned this group. As I was a
huge Heinlein fan almost before I was a science fiction fan, I dropped by.
And have been lurking for some time. :)
What sort of introduction would you like? My first Heinlein was The Moon is
a Harsh mistress (and didn't THAT mess up my adolescence <G>) and my
favorite short story is The Menace From Earth (the motivations and
conversations of the girls were so charmingly dated.) I tend to read books
by people I know (either online or from meeting at conventions) now and
haven't cracked a Heinlein in years.
In addition to SF, I love football (I have season ticket to the Patriots,
the only contested item in my divorce) and playing volleyball. I watch
Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
T
JT wrote in message <3cb22141.535285687@news.sff.net>...
>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:21:23 -0400, Eli Hestermann
><Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>>Hi, Tina! Welcome to the HF. I'm surprised JT hasn't made you do a
formal
>>introduction yet.
>>
>{Slaps Eli with a wet noodle} I learned -years- ago you can't "make"
>this group do anything. I guess I read through the group too fast
>that day and missed Tina's post.
>
>Hi Tina! You are welcome to tell us as much or as little as you'd
>like about yourself by way of introductions.
>
>I most recently posted about myself on 3/15 in a topic called "Intro
>was RE: Another Announcement". Those of you out there who haven't
>posted recently are welcome to re-introduce yourself, also.
>
>Just for general information's sake--the HF maintains a page at:
>http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ .
>
>JT
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Article 20948
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:20:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <obscq805k.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com>, Berry Kercheval writes...
....
> Sure. J, Haskell, ML, Erlang, Miranda and Scheme are some of the
> "better" known functional languages. Mind you, outside of academic
> computer science they are practically unknown, so it's not too
> surprising if one hasn't heard of them.
Why wouldn't you include LISP?
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20949
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:19:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote in message
news:3cb2192f.0@news.sff.net...
> I am a stealth poster. :)
>
I am a stealth welcomer.
WJaKe
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Article 20950
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:21:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote in message
news:3cb6483e.0@news.sff.net...
> Hi JT.
>
>>
> In addition to SF, I love football (I have season ticket to the Patriots,
> the only contested item in my divorce) and playing volleyball. I watch
> Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ha! I watch
Buffy _while_ online!
I'll trump your season ticket with an ownership stake in the Green Bay
Packers!
WJaKe
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Article 20951
From: Voxwoman
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:06:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
er, APL? C?
-Wendy
David Wright wrote:
>
> Can you give an example of a 'functional language' as defined here? Just
> curious.
>
> David Wright
>
>
>
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Article 20952
From: Voxwoman
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:14:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hey Kristina...
I can't remember what was my first Heinlien. I had devoured so many in
my teens (and between RAH and John Norman's Gor books, you can only
imagine what that did to *my* adolescence <eg>!) I do remember doing a
report in senior english about Time enough for Love, so I had to have
read everything else that came before (it was just out in paperback by
then) before I got it. Except Farnham's Freehold. I had trouble locating
that until I was all growed up....
I really like Podkayne and Citizen of the Galaxy when I was a
young'un... And then all the future history short stories...
(and then there was the friend who had the button lady, Nancy, custom
make me a button that said "Real-Life Heinlein Female" when I was in my
late 20's that opened up a whole new world of "trouble" for me, <BEG>).
I don't know if I currently live up to that button anymore...
-Wendy of NJ
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> Hi JT.
>
> I met Eli elsewhere on sff.net, and he mentioned this group. As I was a
> huge Heinlein fan almost before I was a science fiction fan, I dropped by.
> And have been lurking for some time. :)
>
> What sort of introduction would you like? My first Heinlein was The Moon is
> a Harsh mistress (and didn't THAT mess up my adolescence <G>) and my
> favorite short story is The Menace From Earth (the motivations and
> conversations of the girls were so charmingly dated.) I tend to read books
> by people I know (either online or from meeting at conventions) now and
> haven't cracked a Heinlein in years.
>
> In addition to SF, I love football (I have season ticket to the Patriots,
> the only contested item in my divorce) and playing volleyball. I watch
> Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
>
> T
>
> JT wrote in message <3cb22141.535285687@news.sff.net>...
>
>>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:21:23 -0400, Eli Hestermann
>><Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi, Tina! Welcome to the HF. I'm surprised JT hasn't made you do a
>>>
> formal
>
>>>introduction yet.
>>>
>>>
>>{Slaps Eli with a wet noodle} I learned -years- ago you can't "make"
>>this group do anything. I guess I read through the group too fast
>>that day and missed Tina's post.
>>
>>Hi Tina! You are welcome to tell us as much or as little as you'd
>>like about yourself by way of introductions.
>>
>>I most recently posted about myself on 3/15 in a topic called "Intro
>>was RE: Another Announcement". Those of you out there who haven't
>>posted recently are welcome to re-introduce yourself, also.
>>
>>Just for general information's sake--the HF maintains a page at:
>>http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ .
>>
>>JT
>>
>
>
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Article 20953
From: David Wright"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:10:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Voxwoman" <VoxwomanN6@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3CB6CDBB.2050002@netscape.net...
> er, APL? C?
> -Wendy
>
I spent 4 enjoyable years programming economic models in APL. (Of course
that was in the 1974-77 time frame and I don't know where the language is
today). If it falls in the category of 'functional languages', then I think
I see what is meant, but my impression is that 'FL' meant something somewhat
different.
David W.
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Article 20954
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 12 Apr 2002 10:55:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"David Wright" <dwrighsr@alltel.net> writes:
> "Voxwoman" <VoxwomanN6@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3CB6CDBB.2050002@netscape.net...
> > er, APL? C?
> > -Wendy
> >
>
> I spent 4 enjoyable years programming economic models in APL. (Of course
> that was in the 1974-77 time frame and I don't know where the language is
> today). If it falls in the category of 'functional languages', then I think
> I see what is meant, but my impression is that 'FL' meant something somewhat
> different.
And C definitely is not a FL.
Lisp *can* be programmed in a functional style but scheme *encourages*
it. And the categorization is not mine, but came from the
comp.lang.functional FAQ.
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Article 20955
From: Voxwoman
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:01:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The language died an obscure death AFAIK. I really liked it. I could
cram more stuff into one line and then come back 4 months later and say
"what the HELL was I thinking?" because, I never commented code in
college. But it seemed functional by the definition...
-Wendy
David Wright wrote:
> "Voxwoman" <VoxwomanN6@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3CB6CDBB.2050002@netscape.net...
>
>>er, APL? C?
>>-Wendy
>>
>>
>
> I spent 4 enjoyable years programming economic models in APL. (Of course
> that was in the 1974-77 time frame and I don't know where the language is
> today). If it falls in the category of 'functional languages', then I think
> I see what is meant, but my impression is that 'FL' meant something somewhat
> different.
>
> David W.
>
>
>
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Article 20956
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:29:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi, Tina!
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> I watch
> Buffy religiously
There's something cosmically weird about watching a show about vampires
"religiously," doncha' think?
<GD&RLH>
-JovBill
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Article 20957
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:34:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:33:40 -0400, "Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net>
wrote:
>What sort of introduction would you like? My first Heinlein was The Moon is
>a Harsh mistress (and didn't THAT mess up my adolescence <G>)
I can imagine. <VBG>
> I watch
>Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
>
That's why your name is familiar. I read the .buffy group here but
don't post much there.
I'm not online anywhere very much anymore. A few minutes a day,
really. Which is ironic--if I had had a broadband connection back in
1992 with the 2600 bps modem I probably would have owned Prodigy
within a year by sheer volume of posts. ;)
I just got rid of my last Bulletin Board Note Manager floppy. Old
$Pers remember that?
Oh, and your introduction was fine. What I like most about our "Roll
Calls" is how you will find out different things about people as they
"reintroduce" themselves over time.
JT
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Article 20958
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:44:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bill Dauphin wrote:
> OK, since I got taken to task for slipping in a stealth health update,
> I'll give y'all a full-up one:
Thanks for the update, Bill. It's good to hear things are going so well!
Let me know if y'all will be headed this way.
> We did have a sad and somewhat spooky experience: A 14 year old boy
> who'd been our "neighbor" on the oncology floor for many of Mara's
> visits died last week. He had leukemia (don't ask me which type, Eli...
> all I know is it *wasn't* ALL, which I gather is the easiest to treat),
Yeah, I was just at a seminar on ALL today. The cure rate is >80% for
children (although only 30% for adults).
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20959
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:44:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Berry Kercheval wrote:
> Hi guys...
[In unison] "Hi, Berry!"
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20960
From: Teresa Redmond
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:12:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:20:43 -0400, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com> quoth:
>In article <obscq805k.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com>, Berry Kercheval writes...
>...
>> Sure. J, Haskell, ML, Erlang, Miranda and Scheme are some of the
>> "better" known functional languages. Mind you, outside of academic
>> computer science they are practically unknown, so it's not too
>> surprising if one hasn't heard of them.
>
>Why wouldn't you include LISP?
Absolutely, definitely a functional language. Recursion, Parentheses,
oh my aching head! I forget what the letters stood for when we were
making fun of it...
--
~teresa~
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
"Blert!!!" quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
email me at pixelmeow at aol dot com or yahoo dot com
MSN messenger ID = pixelmeow@passport.com
Yahoo Messenger ID = pixelmeow@yahoo.com
AIM id = pixelmeow
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Article 20961
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 12 Apr 2002 17:09:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Teresa Redmond <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:20:43 -0400, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
> Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com> quoth:
>
> >In article <obscq805k.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com>, Berry Kercheval writes...
> >...
> >> Sure. J, Haskell, ML, Erlang, Miranda and Scheme are some of the
> >> "better" known functional languages. Mind you, outside of academic
> >> computer science they are practically unknown, so it's not too
> >> surprising if one hasn't heard of them.
> >
> >Why wouldn't you include LISP?
>
> Absolutely, definitely a functional language. Recursion, Parentheses,
> oh my aching head! I forget what the letters stood for when we were
> making fun of it...
"Lots of Irritating Spurious Parentheses"
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Article 20962
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:29:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
hmph. I watch Buffy while online too. I'd pony up in a minute if the Pats
offered me a piece of the pie, but I'm content to attend every home game and
two or three away games a year.
So, are you a cheesy GB fan? I met the cheesiest people in the world in New
Orleans when we met in the Superbowl. You just wanted to pat them on the
head.
T
William J. Keaton wrote in message <3cb66dd0.0@news.sff.net>...
>
>"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote in message
>news:3cb6483e.0@news.sff.net...
>> Hi JT.
>>
>>>
>> In addition to SF, I love football (I have season ticket to the Patriots,
>> the only contested item in my divorce) and playing volleyball. I watch
>> Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ha! I watch
>Buffy _while_ online!
>
>I'll trump your season ticket with an ownership stake in the Green Bay
>Packers!
>
>WJaKe
>
>
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Article 20963
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:31:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I remember Moon so well because a boy I was interested in discovered it at
the same time - we pretty much raced each other through Heinlein after that.
T
Voxwoman wrote in message <3CB6CFC0.5090208@netscape.net>...
>Hey Kristina...
>I can't remember what was my first Heinlien. I had devoured so many in
>my teens (and between RAH and John Norman's Gor books, you can only
>imagine what that did to *my* adolescence <eg>!) I do remember doing a
>report in senior english about Time enough for Love, so I had to have
>read everything else that came before (it was just out in paperback by
>then) before I got it. Except Farnham's Freehold. I had trouble locating
>that until I was all growed up....
>
>I really like Podkayne and Citizen of the Galaxy when I was a
>young'un... And then all the future history short stories...
>
>(and then there was the friend who had the button lady, Nancy, custom
>make me a button that said "Real-Life Heinlein Female" when I was in my
>late 20's that opened up a whole new world of "trouble" for me, <BEG>).
>
>I don't know if I currently live up to that button anymore...
>
>-Wendy of NJ
>
>Kristina Forsyth wrote:
>
>> Hi JT.
>>
>> I met Eli elsewhere on sff.net, and he mentioned this group. As I was a
>> huge Heinlein fan almost before I was a science fiction fan, I dropped
by.
>> And have been lurking for some time. :)
>>
>> What sort of introduction would you like? My first Heinlein was The Moon
is
>> a Harsh mistress (and didn't THAT mess up my adolescence <G>) and my
>> favorite short story is The Menace From Earth (the motivations and
>> conversations of the girls were so charmingly dated.) I tend to read
books
>> by people I know (either online or from meeting at conventions) now and
>> haven't cracked a Heinlein in years.
>>
>> In addition to SF, I love football (I have season ticket to the Patriots,
>> the only contested item in my divorce) and playing volleyball. I watch
>> Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
>>
>> T
>>
>> JT wrote in message <3cb22141.535285687@news.sff.net>...
>>
>>>On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 08:21:23 -0400, Eli Hestermann
>>><Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi, Tina! Welcome to the HF. I'm surprised JT hasn't made you do a
>>>>
>> formal
>>
>>>>introduction yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>{Slaps Eli with a wet noodle} I learned -years- ago you can't "make"
>>>this group do anything. I guess I read through the group too fast
>>>that day and missed Tina's post.
>>>
>>>Hi Tina! You are welcome to tell us as much or as little as you'd
>>>like about yourself by way of introductions.
>>>
>>>I most recently posted about myself on 3/15 in a topic called "Intro
>>>was RE: Another Announcement". Those of you out there who haven't
>>>posted recently are welcome to re-introduce yourself, also.
>>>
>>>Just for general information's sake--the HF maintains a page at:
>>>http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ .
>>>
>>>JT
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>----------
>support independent music!
>http://www.musicforthegoddess.com
>
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Article 20964
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:35:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi Bill! Buffy-watching is the closest I come to religion - I think I have
an allergy. :)
My step-dad is an ex-Catholic priest, and seeing that religion up close and
personal was more than enough for me. A lot of the men he attended seminary
with have been in the news lately...
T
Bill Dauphin wrote in message <3CB735B0.3B77B279@ix.netcom.com>...
>Hi, Tina!
>
>Kristina Forsyth wrote:
>
>> I watch
>> Buffy religiously
>
>There's something cosmically weird about watching a show about vampires
>"religiously," doncha' think?
>
><GD&RLH>
>
>-JovBill
>
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Article 20965
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:39:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I've seen you on the Buffy board too.
From what I gather, this forum began pretty much the way my NG did - a
displaced net community looking for a home. MSN kicked the pro-football
discussion group out, and after we struggled with their web-based horror
show for a month or two I bit the bullet and bought an SFF.net account. If
any of you want to talk football, drop by sff.people.kgf - it's a little
quiet in the off-season, just a little draft talk, but you'll be welcome.
T
JT wrote in message <3cb75ea7.253728828@news.sff.net>...
>On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:33:40 -0400, "Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net>
>wrote:
>
>>What sort of introduction would you like? My first Heinlein was The Moon
is
>>a Harsh mistress (and didn't THAT mess up my adolescence <G>)
>
>I can imagine. <VBG>
>
>> I watch
>>Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
>>
>That's why your name is familiar. I read the .buffy group here but
>don't post much there.
>
>I'm not online anywhere very much anymore. A few minutes a day,
>really. Which is ironic--if I had had a broadband connection back in
>1992 with the 2600 bps modem I probably would have owned Prodigy
>within a year by sheer volume of posts. ;)
>
>I just got rid of my last Bulletin Board Note Manager floppy. Old
>$Pers remember that?
>
>Oh, and your introduction was fine. What I like most about our "Roll
>Calls" is how you will find out different things about people as they
>"reintroduce" themselves over time.
>
>JT
>
>
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Article 20966
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:11:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <oit6w5uje.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com>, Berry Kercheval writes...
....
> "Lots of Irritating Spurious Parentheses"
Ha! Say what you will, John McCarthy is a genius.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20967
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:13:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3cb77d2f.0@news.sff.net>, Kristina Forsyth writes...
> I remember Moon so well because a boy I was interested in discovered it at
> the same time - we pretty much raced each other through Heinlein after that.
Then what happened? ;-)
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20968
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:27:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It got complicated. His girlfriend didn't read Heinlein. Neither did my
boyfriend.
T
Gordon G. Sollars wrote in message ...
>In article <3cb77d2f.0@news.sff.net>, Kristina Forsyth writes...
>> I remember Moon so well because a boy I was interested in discovered it
at
>> the same time - we pretty much raced each other through Heinlein after
that.
>
>Then what happened? ;-)
>
>--
>Gordon Sollars
>gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20969
From: Berry Kercheval
Date: 12 Apr 2002 21:56:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com> writes:
> In article <oit6w5uje.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com>, Berry Kercheval writes...
> ...
> > "Lots of Irritating Spurious Parentheses"
>
> Ha! Say what you will, John McCarthy is a genius.
No question here. And the parentheses are just syntax.
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Article 20970
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 05:42:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> In addition to SF, I love football (I have season ticket to the Patriots,
Shouldn't that be "WORLD CHAMPION New England Patriots"? [g] We gotta enjoy this
while we can - which isn't to say they won't repeat this year.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20971
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:02:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote
>
> So, are you a cheesy GB fan? I met the cheesiest people in the world in
New
> Orleans when we met in the Superbowl. You just wanted to pat them on the
> head.
>
Right up to the point where we thumped you on the field? <g>
Yep, I was born a cheesehead, and survived through stays in AZ and now
Virginia. I love _not_ being a Redskin fan up here, especially the last few
years.
Oh, and my first Heinlein was HSSWT, I was 10. (Obligatory RAH content, for
the censors. Yep, a Prodigy BB refugee.)
WJaKe
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Article 20972
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote
>
> I just got rid of my last Bulletin Board Note Manager floppy. Old
> $Pers remember that?
>
I still have several floating around, but I have no idea what's on them
anymore. Maybe I should dig up a blast from the past...
WJaKe
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Article 20973
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:59:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
You wanted to pat them on the head in the days leading up to the Superbowl -
after the game they were so darn understanding and had such nice things to
say about the way we played that you wanted to do -other- things to their
heads. There were massive amounts of GB fans there - by contrast the Rams
fans (who had less distance to travel) were strangely under-represented.
Speaking of the Rams, did you enjoy our Superbowl? I haven't spoken to
anyone who wasn't either a Pats fan, or trying to give me a hard time. I'd
like to know what the rest of the country thought.
T
William J. Keaton wrote in message <3cb86377.0@news.sff.net>...
>
>"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote
>>
>> So, are you a cheesy GB fan? I met the cheesiest people in the world in
>New
>> Orleans when we met in the Superbowl. You just wanted to pat them on the
>> head.
>>
>Right up to the point where we thumped you on the field? <g>
>
>Yep, I was born a cheesehead, and survived through stays in AZ and now
>Virginia. I love _not_ being a Redskin fan up here, especially the last few
>years.
>
>Oh, and my first Heinlein was HSSWT, I was 10. (Obligatory RAH content, for
>the censors. Yep, a Prodigy BB refugee.)
>
>WJaKe
>
>
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Article 20974
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:59:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote
>
> Speaking of the Rams, did you enjoy our Superbowl? I haven't spoken to
> anyone who wasn't either a Pats fan, or trying to give me a hard time.
I'd
> like to know what the rest of the country thought.
>
I was working Super Bowl Sunday, so I had to watch it while trying to get
something done. It was nice to see a Super Bowl that wasn't over by
halftime. There was a certain appropriateness in the Patriots winning the
Super Bowl this year. I was surprised, I'll tell you that. There weren't too
many people giving the Pats a chance at all.
The big off-season question: Whither goest Bledsoe?
WJaKe
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Article 20975
From: David Silver
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:36:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> You wanted to pat them on the head in the days leading up to the Superbowl -
> after the game they were so darn understanding and had such nice things to
> say about the way we played that you wanted to do -other- things to their
> heads. There were massive amounts of GB fans there - by contrast the Rams
> fans (who had less distance to travel) were strangely under-represented.
>
> Speaking of the Rams, did you enjoy our Superbowl? I haven't spoken to
> anyone who wasn't either a Pats fan, or trying to give me a hard time. I'd
> like to know what the rest of the country thought.
>
It was a decided pleasure to see the Patriots win. For us here in Los
Angeles it meant we didn't have to watch Georgia Frontiere's surgery
lifted face grimace in delight again, or watch her pat yet another
embarassed quarterback on the butt.
There, see, someone not trying to give you a hard time, or a Patriot
fan. <veg>
David
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Article 20976
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:08:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
LOL! Did you see the Superbowl ring she had ALREADY designed? She showed
it off after the Rams won their NFC Championship. Reminded me of the way
the Steelers already had reservations for New Orleans. :)
T
P.S. it was an UGLY ring, too.
David Silver wrote in message <3CB91569.60805@verizon.net>...
>Kristina Forsyth wrote:
>
>> You wanted to pat them on the head in the days leading up to the
Superbowl -
>> after the game they were so darn understanding and had such nice things
to
>> say about the way we played that you wanted to do -other- things to their
>> heads. There were massive amounts of GB fans there - by contrast the
Rams
>> fans (who had less distance to travel) were strangely under-represented.
>>
>> Speaking of the Rams, did you enjoy our Superbowl? I haven't spoken to
>> anyone who wasn't either a Pats fan, or trying to give me a hard time.
I'd
>> like to know what the rest of the country thought.
>>
>
>It was a decided pleasure to see the Patriots win. For us here in Los
>Angeles it meant we didn't have to watch Georgia Frontiere's surgery
>lifted face grimace in delight again, or watch her pat yet another
>embarassed quarterback on the butt.
>
>There, see, someone not trying to give you a hard time, or a Patriot
>fan. <veg>
>
>David
>
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Article 20977
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:11:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thank you. I thought it was a very exciting game. I was also very
confident in our chances - of course, I'd watched us play all year.
T
William J. Keaton wrote in message <3cb90b8c.0@news.sff.net>...
>
>"Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net> wrote
>>
>> Speaking of the Rams, did you enjoy our Superbowl? I haven't spoken to
>> anyone who wasn't either a Pats fan, or trying to give me a hard time.
>I'd
>> like to know what the rest of the country thought.
>>
>I was working Super Bowl Sunday, so I had to watch it while trying to get
>something done. It was nice to see a Super Bowl that wasn't over by
>halftime. There was a certain appropriateness in the Patriots winning the
>Super Bowl this year. I was surprised, I'll tell you that. There weren't
too
>many people giving the Pats a chance at all.
>
>The big off-season question: Whither goest Bledsoe?
>
>WJaKe
>
>
>
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Article 20978
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:31:36 -0400
Subject: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Anybody else here read Neal Stephenson? Fader gave me _Zodiac_ many
moons ago at a Gathering, and it recently percolated to the top of my
"to read" pile. It's about an environmentalist dealing with big time
pollution in Boston Harbor (and thus right up my alley). It's more
thriller than sf, but I really enjoyed it. The science was pretty well
done (just a few quibbles, but no howlers).
Then, on vacation a couple weeks ago, I needed a book at the airport and
found _Snow Crash_. This one is simply fantastic, IMNSHO. It has a
great cyberpunk dystopia society, memorable characters, a plot that
flies along, and some good humor. I'm looking forward to getting the
rest of his stuff now.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20979
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:00:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Cryptonomicon, yum - I envy you. I read Snow Crash first, and then Zodiac,
and I loved them both. I also enjoyed the Diamond Age.
T
Eli Hestermann wrote in message <3CB9E728.4C9FDE8C@tmlp.com>...
>Anybody else here read Neal Stephenson? Fader gave me _Zodiac_ many
>moons ago at a Gathering, and it recently percolated to the top of my
>"to read" pile. It's about an environmentalist dealing with big time
>pollution in Boston Harbor (and thus right up my alley). It's more
>thriller than sf, but I really enjoyed it. The science was pretty well
>done (just a few quibbles, but no howlers).
>
>Then, on vacation a couple weeks ago, I needed a book at the airport and
>found _Snow Crash_. This one is simply fantastic, IMNSHO. It has a
>great cyberpunk dystopia society, memorable characters, a plot that
>flies along, and some good humor. I'm looking forward to getting the
>rest of his stuff now.
>
>--
>Eli V. Hestermann
>ehestermann@whoi.edu
>"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
>
>
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Article 20980
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:57:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Speaking about new houses....
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All--
The cats are moved, the computer is moved. I guess it is really
real. Time has been a rare commodity these past few weeks, though.
Thanks, all; for your good wishes.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
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Article 20981
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:28:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking about new houses....
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hope everything came through unscathed.
Charles Graft wrote:
> All--
> The cats are moved, the computer is moved. I guess it is really
> real. Time has been a rare commodity these past few weeks, though.
>
> Thanks, all; for your good wishes.
>
> --
> <<Big Charlie>>
>
> Dogs have masters; cats have staff.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20982
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:30:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> Cryptonomicon, yum - I envy you. I read Snow Crash first, and then Zodiac,
> and I loved them both. I also enjoyed the Diamond Age.
I almost got Cryptonomicon at the airport, but it looked a little heavy to be
lugging around. Now I'm glad to know there's that much more Stephenson to
read.
So, Tina, do you know Stephenson, or is this an exception?
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20983
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:10:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Voxwoman" <VoxwomanN6@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3CB73CFE.9000100@netscape.net...
> The language died an obscure death AFAIK. I really liked it. I could
> cram more stuff into one line and then come back 4 months later and say
> "what the HELL was I thinking?" because, I never commented code in
> college. But it seemed functional by the definition...
> -Wendy
I loved the one liners.
I could come back in an HOUR and say that. I loved it though. It was fun
watching that old Selectric ball on my terminal whipping back and forth at
10cps.
David W.
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Article 20984
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:30:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Teresa Redmond" <pixelmeow@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0cqebugv8kgr4a8vqojtjbsd4bhta1k4if@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 00:20:43 -0400, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
> Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com> quoth:
>
> >In article <obscq805k.fsf@lyorn.kerch.com>, Berry Kercheval writes...
> >...
> >> Sure. J, Haskell, ML, Erlang, Miranda and Scheme are some of the
> >> "better" known functional languages. Mind you, outside of academic
> >> computer science they are practically unknown, so it's not too
> >> surprising if one hasn't heard of them.
> >
> >Why wouldn't you include LISP?
>
> Absolutely, definitely a functional language. Recursion, Parentheses,
> oh my aching head! I forget what the letters stood for when we were
> making fun of it...
>
LISP=Lots of Infernal Silly Parentheses
David W.
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Article 20985
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:50:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3cbad188.0@news.sff.net>, David Wright writes...
....
> I loved the one liners.
Such as, "Here is my one line program for doing step-wise linear
regression!"
> I could come back in an HOUR and say that.
Another APL programmer "one-liner": Guess what this program does!
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20986
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:53:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3CB9E728.4C9FDE8C@tmlp.com>, Eli Hestermann writes...
....
> Then, on vacation a couple weeks ago, I needed a book at the airport and
> found _Snow Crash_. This one is simply fantastic, IMNSHO.
I agree, but I haven't gotten around to reading any of his other books.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 20987
From: David McLean"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:54:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I have read all of Stephenson. He Rocks. He makes my head hurt... If you
like his style, try Bruce Sterling and John Barnes as well. Not quite the
same, zactly, but good reads nonetheless.
I have been a big Cyber-Punk genre since RAH's I Will Fear No Evil....(Yup!
that should open up a few replies...lol)...and then there is the Matrix
Dave McLean
"Eli Hestermann" <ehestermann@tmlp.com> wrote in message
news:3CB9E728.4C9FDE8C@tmlp.com...
> Anybody else here read Neal Stephenson? Fader gave me _Zodiac_ many
> moons ago at a Gathering, and it recently percolated to the top of my
> "to read" pile. It's about an environmentalist dealing with big time
> pollution in Boston Harbor (and thus right up my alley). It's more
> thriller than sf, but I really enjoyed it. The science was pretty well
> done (just a few quibbles, but no howlers).
>
> Then, on vacation a couple weeks ago, I needed a book at the airport and
> found _Snow Crash_. This one is simply fantastic, IMNSHO. It has a
> great cyberpunk dystopia society, memorable characters, a plot that
> flies along, and some good humor. I'm looking forward to getting the
> rest of his stuff now.
>
> --
> Eli V. Hestermann
> ehestermann@whoi.edu
> "Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
>
>
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Article 20988
From: David McLean"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:00:28 -0600
Subject: Re: Vampires
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
....holds nose and runs screaming from room....
No higher honor can a punster receive, according to Spider....
Dave McLean
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3ca232b5.0@news.sff.net...
> Dracula was out having a night on the town, traveling from bar to bar and
> occasionally getting a drink from an unsuspecting lady. He was having a
> grand old time, but finally realized that it was time to get back to his
> coffin for the day. He was about halfway back, when something hit him in
the
> back of the head.
>
> He turns around, but he sees nobody. Looking around for what hit him, he
> sees a little cocktail wiener lying on the ground.
>
> Slightly disturbed by this turn of events, he turns around and continues
to
> his crypt. He gets less than half a block, when something else smacks him
in
> the back of the head.
>
> He spins, but again he sees nobody. Looking on the ground, however, he
sees
> a small triangular sandwich with the crusts cut off.
>
> Now Dracula is getting irritated. He continues on, listening and waiting.
> Wap! Something else hits him in the head!
>
> He whirls around as quickly as he can, but all he sees is a small crab
puff,
> lying on the ground.
>
> Dracula is getting pretty freaked out by this point. He hurries onward,
> dreading what will happen next.
>
> Suddenly, he is grabbed and spun around. Behind him is a small blonde
woman
> with a fancy cocktail toothpick. As she stabs him in the heart with the
> toothpick, he cries out, "Who are you?"
>
> "I'm Buffet the Vampire Slayer."
>
>
>
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Article 20989
From: Voxwoman
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:20:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
we used to drive our T.A. crazy with one liners... APL was one of the
languages you could pick for ComSci 101 at Penn...
-Wendy
Gordon G. Sollars wrote:
> In article <3cbad188.0@news.sff.net>, David Wright writes...
> ...
>
>>I loved the one liners.
>>
>
> Such as, "Here is my one line program for doing step-wise linear
> regression!"
>
>
>>I could come back in an HOUR and say that.
>>
>
> Another APL programmer "one-liner": Guess what this program does!
>
>
--
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Article 20990
From: Voxwoman
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:21:03 -0400
Subject: Damon Knight
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I just read on another group that Damon Knight just passed on. Thought
you'd like to know.
-Wendy
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Article 20991
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:08:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David McLean wrote:
> I have read all of Stephenson. He Rocks. He makes my head hurt... If you
> like his style, try Bruce Sterling and John Barnes as well. Not quite the
> same, zactly, but good reads nonetheless.
I've read most of Barnes' stuff, but thanks for the recommendation on
Sterling. I was going to compare Stephenson to Barnes in my original post, but
then decided to go for brevity. [g]
We've discussed Barnes a couple times here on the HF. I liked his the first
stuff of his I read (Orbital Resonance, A Million Open Doors), but then the
next few were pretty dark. The Timeline Wars series was fun, if a bit light.
I really need to get the two sequels to AMOD.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 20992
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 15 Apr 2002 23:10:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Vampires
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Dave McLean wrote:
>
Wow. I have been trying for one of those for _YEARS_. Thank you.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 20993
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 15 Apr 2002 23:12:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Vampires
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Interesting. Everything I tried to quote in that previous message vanished,
even though I cut and pasted it into my reply.
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Article 20994
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 15 Apr 2002 23:14:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JovBill wrote:
Hi, Tina!
Kristina Forsyth wrote:
> I watch
> Buffy religiously
There's something cosmically weird about watching a show about vampires
"religiously," doncha' think?
>>
Not at all. That's how you keep them from climbing out of the screen and
getting you. After all, if you turn the TV on and select that channel, you've
already invited them into your home....
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 20995
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:28:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Eli Hestermann wrote:
> Let me know if y'all will be headed this way.
Probably not for medical reasons (thank G*d!), but it's a good bet we'll do
the tourist thing up that way at some point. I'd love to get together &
introduce y'all to the family.
> I was just at a seminar on ALL today. The cure rate is >80% for
> children (although only 30% for adults).
One of the families in our support group has a teenage daughter who
*diagnosed herself* with ALL, based on what she'd learned in high-school
biology (an AP class, IIRC). Well, she didn't diagnose ALL exactly, but she
did tell her parents she thought she had leukemia, before any doctor had
even suggested it to them. She's done with her treatment now, in remission,
starting college, and trying to decide if she wants to go to med school.
-JovBill
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Article 20996
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:42:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My night to reply to Eli!
Eli Hestermann wrote:
> I was going to compare Stephenson to Barnes in my original post, but
> then decided to go for brevity. [g]
Interesting. I keep seeing Stephenson on the shelves when I look for new books by
Allen Steele, but was never tempted. The comparison to Barnes may change that. I
never heard Barnes listed as a cyberpunk author, but I guess it makes sense. I've
never hooked into cyberpunk, prob'ly because the first thing I read that was
associated with the genre was the steampunk (is that the right term?) novel _The
Difference Engine_ by Gibson and Sterling. I didn't like that (though maybe it's
time to give it another chance), and that's colored my thinking about cyberpunk
ever since.
> I liked his the first
> stuff of his I read (Orbital Resonance, A Million Open Doors),
Yah, me too.
> ...but then the
> next few were pretty dark.
I especially thought _Kaliedoscope [sp?] Century_ was brutal. Interestingly
enough, that's set in the same ficton as _Orbital Resonance_.
> I really need to get the two sequels to AMOD.
_Earth Made of Glass_ is depressing... but every bit as well crafted and
compelling as AMOD. I haven't picked up the new one yet, but it's on my birthday
list (along with _The Free Lunch_ by Spider). I wonder if anyone here has read it,
and has anything to say (w/o, of course, spoiling it for the rest of us).
-JovBill
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Article 20997
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:10:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Don't start with Diamond Age, then. I would have said Zodiac was most
accessible, but my brother (who doesn't read a lot of fiction at all) was
blown away by Snow Crash, and wasn't impressed by Zodiac.
T
Bill Dauphin wrote in message <3CBB737C.E64B1F33@ix.netcom.com>...
>My night to reply to Eli!
>
>Eli Hestermann wrote:
>
>> I was going to compare Stephenson to Barnes in my original post, but
>> then decided to go for brevity. [g]
>
>Interesting. I keep seeing Stephenson on the shelves when I look for new
books by
>Allen Steele, but was never tempted. The comparison to Barnes may change
that. I
>never heard Barnes listed as a cyberpunk author, but I guess it makes
sense. I've
>never hooked into cyberpunk, prob'ly because the first thing I read that
was
>associated with the genre was the steampunk (is that the right term?) novel
_The
>Difference Engine_ by Gibson and Sterling. I didn't like that (though maybe
it's
>time to give it another chance), and that's colored my thinking about
cyberpunk
>ever since.
>
>> I liked his the first
>> stuff of his I read (Orbital Resonance, A Million Open Doors),
>
>Yah, me too.
>
>> ...but then the
>> next few were pretty dark.
>
>I especially thought _Kaliedoscope [sp?] Century_ was brutal. Interestingly
>enough, that's set in the same ficton as _Orbital Resonance_.
>
>> I really need to get the two sequels to AMOD.
>
>_Earth Made of Glass_ is depressing... but every bit as well crafted and
>compelling as AMOD. I haven't picked up the new one yet, but it's on my
birthday
>list (along with _The Free Lunch_ by Spider). I wonder if anyone here has
read it,
>and has anything to say (w/o, of course, spoiling it for the rest of us).
>
>-JovBill
>
>
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Article 20998
From: Kristina Forsyth"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:18:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Nope - never met him. But the last Stephenson I read was Cryptonomicon,
which I bought when it first came out, three years ago. Currently I'm
reading In the Company of Others by Julie Czerneda, yet another sff.net
author. :)
T
Eli Hestermann wrote in message <3CBA9DA9.41F5B001@tmlp.com>...
>Kristina Forsyth wrote:
>
>> Cryptonomicon, yum - I envy you. I read Snow Crash first, and then
Zodiac,
>> and I loved them both. I also enjoyed the Diamond Age.
>
>I almost got Cryptonomicon at the airport, but it looked a little heavy to
be
>lugging around. Now I'm glad to know there's that much more Stephenson to
>read.
>
>So, Tina, do you know Stephenson, or is this an exception?
>
>--
>Eli V. Hestermann
>ehestermann@whoi.edu
>"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
>
>
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Article 20999
From: David McLean"
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:26:35 -0600
Subject: Re: Neal Stephenson
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Rudy Rucker is the self proclaimed cyber-punk genre starter as my faulty
memory recalls...I can't recommend him, except for hysterical
reasons...oops.
Stephenson's Snow Crash is a good choice to start with. Quite the favorite
among the software geek culture that I have been a part of these past few
years (I market though).
Stephenson's Cryptonomicon will just flat out blow you away though.
Best
Dave McLean
"Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3CBB737C.E64B1F33@ix.netcom.com...
> My night to reply to Eli!
>
> Eli Hestermann wrote:
>
> > I was going to compare Stephenson to Barnes in my original post, but
> > then decided to go for brevity. [g]
>
> Interesting. I keep seeing Stephenson on the shelves when I look for new
books by
> Allen Steele, but was never tempted. The comparison to Barnes may change
that. I
> never heard Barnes listed as a cyberpunk author, but I guess it makes
sense. I've
> never hooked into cyberpunk, prob'ly because the first thing I read that
was
> associated with the genre was the steampunk (is that the right term?)
novel _The
> Difference Engine_ by Gibson and Sterling. I didn't like that (though
maybe it's
> time to give it another chance), and that's colored my thinking about
cyberpunk
> ever since.
>
> > I liked his the first
> > stuff of his I read (Orbital Resonance, A Million Open Doors),
>
> Yah, me too.
>
> > ...but then the
> > next few were pretty dark.
>
> I especially thought _Kaliedoscope [sp?] Century_ was brutal.
Interestingly
> enough, that's set in the same ficton as _Orbital Resonance_.
>
> > I really need to get the two sequels to AMOD.
>
> _Earth Made of Glass_ is depressing... but every bit as well crafted and
> compelling as AMOD. I haven't picked up the new one yet, but it's on my
birthday
> list (along with _The Free Lunch_ by Spider). I wonder if anyone here has
read it,
> and has anything to say (w/o, of course, spoiling it for the rest of us).
>
> -JovBill
>
>
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Article 21000
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:45:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bill Dauphin wrote:
> One of the families in our support group has a teenage daughter who
> *diagnosed herself* with ALL, based on what she'd learned in high-school
> biology (an AP class, IIRC). Well, she didn't diagnose ALL exactly, but she
> did tell her parents she thought she had leukemia, before any doctor had
> even suggested it to them. She's done with her treatment now, in remission,
> starting college, and trying to decide if she wants to go to med school.
Sounds like she'd have a good essay for the application. [g]
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@tmlp.com
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 21001
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:55:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JovBill: I'm glad to hear that Mara is coming along so well with
her treatments. (And, yes, I have lately met some nice people on
the Oncology floor of a hospital.)
I don't know how difficult it would be to learn Java or Html; they
would be useful languages to know nowadays.
I found Pascal to be a most useful language for someone who wanted
to learn more programming latter on. It is a good 'teaching'
language. I don't recommend tackling "C" early on (this from
someone who enjoyed Fortran <G>). I never took VB, but JT is right
about what amazing things you can do with it.
Ed J
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:28:31 -0400, Bill Dauphin
<dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>Eli Hestermann wrote:
>
>> Let me know if y'all will be headed this way.
>
>Probably not for medical reasons (thank G*d!), but it's a good bet we'll do
>the tourist thing up that way at some point. I'd love to get together &
>introduce y'all to the family.
>
>> I was just at a seminar on ALL today. The cure rate is >80% for
>> children (although only 30% for adults).
>
>One of the families in our support group has a teenage daughter who
>*diagnosed herself* with ALL, based on what she'd learned in high-school
>biology (an AP class, IIRC). Well, she didn't diagnose ALL exactly, but she
>did tell her parents she thought she had leukemia, before any doctor had
>even suggested it to them. She's done with her treatment now, in remission,
>starting college, and trying to decide if she wants to go to med school.
>
>-JovBill
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Article 21002
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:57:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Damon Knight
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Wendy: Say it isn't so!
Ed J
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:21:03 -0400, Voxwoman <voxwoman@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I just read on another group that Damon Knight just passed on. Thought
>you'd like to know.
>-Wendy
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Article 21003
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:07:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for information on a word and history.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: I remember PBBmgr well enough; IIRC, Fader had to send me a
copy after a major hard drive crash many moon ago <ng>.
Bobby L. spent a fair portion of his life span on Plodigy <g>.
Ed J
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:34:57 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:33:40 -0400, "Kristina Forsyth" <kgf@sff.net>
>wrote:
>
>>What sort of introduction would you like? My first Heinlein was The Moon is
>>a Harsh mistress (and didn't THAT mess up my adolescence <G>)
>
>I can imagine. <VBG>
>
>> I watch
>>Buffy religiously and spend far too much time online.
>>
>That's why your name is familiar. I read the .buffy group here but
>don't post much there.
>
>I'm not online anywhere very much anymore. A few minutes a day,
>really. Which is ironic--if I had had a broadband connection back in
>1992 with the 2600 bps modem I probably would have owned Prodigy
>within a year by sheer volume of posts. ;)
>
>I just got rid of my last Bulletin Board Note Manager floppy. Old
>$Pers remember that?
>
>Oh, and your introduction was fine. What I like most about our "Roll
>Calls" is how you will find out different things about people as they
>"reintroduce" themselves over time.
>
>JT
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Article 21004
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 18 Apr 2002 19:19:53 GMT
Subject: Help with Laptop
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I have a major problem, and I am hoping someone can help me with it quickly.
A friend of mine left his laptop with me. To keep it safe, I kept it in
its box on a shelf by itself.
A few days ago, a cup of pop on a different piece of furnture got knocked
directly onto the box. If the laptop had been exposed, the liquid would
probably have flowed away. Instead, it poured into the box, putting the
laptop in a pool of coke and ice.
Does anybody know anything about repairing laptop spills? I have replaced
drives and such, but don't know much about handling spills. Under the circumstances,
he's willing to let me try, since I can't do much more harm.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 21005
From: David Wright"
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:59:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Help with Laptop
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message news:3cbf1c59.0@news.sff.net...
> I have a major problem, and I am hoping someone can help me with it
quickly.
>
> A friend of mine left his laptop with me. To keep it safe, I kept it in
> its box on a shelf by itself.
>
> A few days ago, a cup of pop on a different piece of furnture got knocked
> directly onto the box. If the laptop had been exposed, the liquid would
> probably have flowed away. Instead, it poured into the box, putting the
> laptop in a pool of coke and ice.
>
> Does anybody know anything about repairing laptop spills? I have replaced
> drives and such, but don't know much about handling spills. Under the
circumstances,
> he's willing to let me try, since I can't do much more harm.
>
I am not sure about the cleaning, but I do know one thing. DONT't turn it on
until you have managed to clean if possible. I did that when I spilled
coffee on mine and I let all of the smoke out and ruined it.
David W.
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Article 21006
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:44:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed Johnson wrote:
> I'm glad to hear that Mara is coming along so well with
> her treatments.
Thanks -- to you and everyone here -- for the good thoughts.
> I have lately met some nice people on
> the Oncology floor of a hospital.
Gee, I hope the story behind that comment is not too sad. My thoughts are with
you, if you need 'em. As for meeting people on the Onco floor... well, we all
know what a wise author once said about shared pain. ;^)
> I found Pascal to be a most useful language for someone who wanted
> to learn more programming latter on. It is a good 'teaching'
> language.
IIRC, it was invented specifically as a teaching language. I actually owned a
copy of Turbo Pascal many years ago. I was in Korea at the time, and had bought
a locally made CP/M card for my Apple ][+. Unfortunately, the card never worked
quite right, and the machine itself petered out not long after we returned to
the US, so I never ended up doing anything with TP.
> I never took VB, but JT is right
> about what amazing things you can do with it.
I'm leaning toward that, just because I have at least *some* prior experience
w/BASIC. Of coure, I'm sure a modern version of BASIC looks nothing like what I
remember, but still.... I may also try to see what I can find out about
RealBASIC, which seens to be a native Mac OS X product, though it can
apparently compile applications to run under Windows, Linux, etc. Of course,
there's also Applescript... hmmm.
-JovBill
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Article 21007
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:20:36 -0400
Subject: Hugo and Campbell ballot
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
2002 HUGO AWARD NOMINATIONS ANNOUNCED
CONJOSE, THE 60TH WORLD SCIENCE FICTION CONVENTION
PO Box 61363, Sunnyvale CA 94088-1363 USA
press@conjose.org; http://www.conjose.org/
For immediate release: Thursday 18 April, 2002, 9:00 p.m. Pacific
Daylight Time
2002 HUGO AWARD NOMINATIONS ANNOUNCED
ConJose is pleased to announce the nominees for the 2002 Hugo Awards.
A total of 626 people cast Hugo Nominating ballots this year.
Three categories have six nominees due to ties for the final ballot
position.
BEST NOVEL (486 ballots cast)
The Curse of Chalion by Lois McMaster Bujold (HarperCollins/Eos)
American Gods by Neil Gaiman (Morrow)
Perdido Street Station by China Miéville (Macmillan (UK)(2000); Del
Rey)
Cosmonaut Keep by Ken MacLeod (Orbit (UK)(2000); Tor)
Passage by Connie Willis (Bantam)
The Chronoliths by Robert Charles Wilson (Tor)
BEST NOVELLA (300 ballots cast)
"May Be Some Time" by Brenda W. Clough (Analog 4/01)
"The Diamond Pit" by Jack Dann (Jubilee, HarperCollins/Voyager
Australia; F&SF 6/01)
"The Chief Designer" by Andy Duncan (Asimov's 6/01)
"Stealing Alabama" by Allen Steele (Asimov's 1/01)
"Fast Times at Fairmont High" by Vernor Vinge (The Collected Stories
of Vernor Vinge, Tor)
BEST NOVELETTE (292 ballots cast)
"Hell Is the Absence of God" by Ted Chiang (Starlight 3, Tor)
"Undone" by James Patrick Kelly (Asimov's 6/01)
"The Days Between" by Allen Steele (Asimov's 3/01)
"Lobsters" by Charles Stross (Asimov's 6/01)
"The Return of Spring" by Shane Tourtellotte (Analog 11/01)
BEST SHORT STORY (331 ballots cast)
"The Ghost Pit" by Stephen Baxter (Asimov's 7/01)
"Spaceships" by Michael A. Burstein (Analog 6/01)
"The Bones of the Earth" by Ursula K. Le Guin (Tales from Earthsea,
Harcourt)
"Old MacDonald Had a Farm" by Mike Resnick (Asimov's 9/01)
"The Dog Said Bow-Wow" by Michael Swanwick (Asimov's 10-11/01)
BEST RELATED BOOK (252 ballots cast)
The Art of Richard Powers by Jane Frank (Paper Tiger)
Meditations on Middle-Earth by Karen Haber, ed. (St. Martin's Press/A
Byron Preiss Book)
The Art of Chesley Bonestell by Ron Miller & Frederick C. Durant III
(Paper Tiger)
I Have This Nifty Idea...Now What Do I Do With It? by Mike Resnick
(Wildside Press)
J. R. R. Tolkien: Author of the Century by Tom Shippey (HarperCollins
(UK)(2000); Houghton Mifflin)
Being Gardner Dozois by Michael Swanwick (Old Earth Books)
BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION (452 ballots cast)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (1492 Pictures/Heyday
Films/Warner Bros.) Directed by Chris Columbus; Screenplay by Steven
Kloves; David Heyman, Producer; Michael Barthan, Chris Columbus,
Duncan Henderson & Mark
Radcliff, Excutive Producers.
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (New Line Cinema/The
Saul Zaentz Company/WingNut Films) Directed by Peter Jackson;
Screenplay by Fran Walsh & Phillipa Boyens & Peter Jackson; Peter
Jackson, Barrie M. Osborne and Tim Sanders, Producers; Michael Lynne,
Mark Ordesky, Robert Shaye, Bob Weinstein and Harvey Weinstein,
Executive Producers.
Monsters, Inc. (Pixar Animation Studios/Walt Disney Pictures) Directed
by Pete Docter, David Silverman and Lee Unkrich. Story by Jill
Culton, Peter Docter, Ralph Eggleston and Jeff Pidgeon. Darla K.
Anderson, Producer. John Lasseter and Andrew Stanton, Executive
Producers.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer "Once More, With Feeling" (Fox Television
Studios/Mutant Enemy, Inc.) Written & Directed by Joss Whedon. Joss
Whedon and Marti Noxon, Executive Producers.
Shrek (DreamWorks SKG/Pacific Data Images). Directed by Andrew
Adamson and Vicky Jenson. Written by Ted Elliott & Terry Rossio and
Joe Stillman and Roger S. H. Schulman. Jeffrey Katzenberg, Aron Warner
and John H. Williams,
Producers. Penney Finkelman Cox and Sandra Rabins, Executive
Producers.
BEST PROFESSIONAL EDITOR (382 ballots cast)
Ellen Datlow (SCI FICTION and anthologies)
Gardner Dozois (Asimov's)
Patrick Nielsen Hayden (Tor Books; Starlight anthology series)
Stanley Schmidt (Analog)
Gordon Van Gelder (F&SF)
BEST PRO ARTIST (323 ballots cast)
Jim Burns
Bob Eggleton
Frank Kelly Freas
Donato Giancola
Michael Whelan
BEST SEMIPROZINE (283 ballots cast)
Absolute Magnitude, edited by Warren Lapine
Interzone, edited by David Pringle
Locus, edited by Charles N. Brown
The New York Review of Science Fiction, edited by Kathryn Cramer,
David Hartwell & Kevin J. Maroney
Speculations, edited by Susan Fry, published by Kent Brewster
BEST FANZINE (237 ballots cast)
File 770, edited by Mike Glyer
Ansible, edited by Dave Langford
Challenger, edited by Guy Lillian III
Mimosa, edited by Richard & Nicki Lynch
Plokta, edited by Alison Scott, Steve Davies & Mike Scott
BEST FAN WRITER (248 ballots cast)
Jeff Berkwits
Bob Devney
John L. Flynn
Mike Glyer
Dave Langford
Steven H Silver
BEST FAN ARTIST (177 ballots cast)
Sheryl Birkhead
Brad Foster
Teddy Harvia
Sue Mason
Frank Wu
BEST WEB SITE (365 ballots cast)
Locus Online, Mark R. Kelly editor/webmaster (www.locusmag.com)
SciFi.com, Craig Engler, executive producer (www.scifi.com)
SF Site, Rodger Turner, publisher/managing editor (www.sfsite.com)
Strange Horizons, Mary Anne Mohanraj, editor-in-chief
(www.strangehorizons.com)
Tangent Online, Dave Truesdale, senior editor; Tobias Buckell,
webmaster (www.tangentonline.com)
Each Worldcon has the right to add one special category, good only for
that year and not binding upon any future Worldcon committees. ConJose
exercised this right and will award a Hugo Award for Best Web Site.
JOHN W. CAMPBELL AWARD for BEST NEW WRITER OF 2000/2001 (272 ballots
cast)
Tobias S. Buckell (second year of eligibility)
Alexander C. Irvine (second year of eligibility)
Wen Spencer (first year of eligibility)
Jo Walton (second year of eligibility)
Ken Wharton (second year of eligibility)
The John W. Campbell Award, sponsored by Dell Magazines, is not a Hugo
Award, but appears on the same ballot as the Hugo Awards and is
administered in the same way as the Hugo Awards.
The 2001 WSFS Business Meeting, as authorized by the WSFS
Constitution, extended the eligibility of works initially published in
2000 outside the USA and not published in the USA as of the end of
January 2001. Several
works nominated this year qualify under this extension.
Of the 626 total valid nominating ballots, 371 were cast
electronically through the ConJose web site. Members of ConJose and of
The Millennium Philcon (the 2002 and 2001 Worldcons) were eligible to
make nominations for
the 2002 Hugo Awards. 389 members of ConJose (236 voting
electronically, 153 by mail) and 237 members of the Millennium Philcon
(135 voting electronically, 102 by mail) cast nominating ballots.
Only attending and supporting members of ConJose may vote on the 2002
Hugo Awards. ConJose will mail Hugo Award ballots to all of its
members in Progress Report 4, scheduled to mail by the end of May
2002. A copy of the
ballot will be available for download from the ConJose web site at
http://www.conjose.org/wsfs/wsfs_hugo.html shortly. ConJose plans to
offer online voting as it did for the nominating ballots. We will post
details of
how to vote online on our web site when the online ballot is
available. The voting deadline is July 31, 2002.
Through July 31, 2002, an Attending membership in ConJose is $180 and
a Supporting membership is $35. Information about how to join ConJose
is available from our web site at
http://www.conjose.org/Member/membership.html.
Voting Statistics Summary
Category Ballots Votes Nominees Range
Novel 486 1469 226 44-121
Novella 300 738 58 40-55
Novelette 292 823 144 27-43
Short Story 331 929 63 21-35
Related Book 252 514 88 31-68
Dramatic Presentation 452 1303 130 89-343
Professional Editor 382 979 91 87-121
Professional Artist 323 862 156 36-83
Semiprozine 283 573 45 41-116
Fanzine 237 531 100 29-43
Fan Writer 248 601 164 26-51
Fan Artist 248 410 93 17-59
Web Site 365 941 240 36-75
Campbell Award 272 653 101 29-53
"Ballots" is the number of ballots that included at least one
nomination in that category. "Votes" is the total number of
nominations cast in that category. "Nominees" is the number of
individual works or persons nominated
in that category. "Range" is the range between the least number of
nominations required to make the final ballot in that category and the
most number of nominations any work or person received in that
category.
"No Award" will appear as a candidate in each category on the final
ballot, as required by the WSFS Constitution.
More detailed statistics, including the number of nominations each
person or work received, and the vote counts of the top fifteen
candidates or those candidates receiving at least 5% of the nomination
ballots cast in each
category, will be released after the Hugo Awards Ceremony at ConJose.
The 2002 Hugo Awards will be announced and presented at a ceremony on
the evening of Sunday, September 1, 2002 in the San Jose Civic
Auditorium during ConJose.
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Convention Center, San Jose, California from 29 August through 2
September 2002. More information about ConJose, including current
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Article 21008
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 07:28:43 GMT
Subject: To those who've been around here long enuf to care...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi folks.
Just thought I'd post the following, harking back to some very old
conversations we've had here, and back on the Prodigy boards. Found
the following at http://www.msnbc.com/news/740672.asp, an article
about how Al Qaida used computer technology.
" For example, al-Qaida couriers deliver floppy disks or Zip disks
with encrypted data to third parties, who in turn take it to a cell
planning a attack. The data are scrambled by common commercial
encryption programs like PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), which can be
downloaded for free, and then transferred to the disks. "
Ok, ok, so I know you can't put a genie back in its bottle, but didn't
I say this would happen?
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Article 21009
From: Bill Dennis"
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:03:10 -0500
Subject: Re: To those who've been around here long enuf to care...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Jai Johnson-Pickett" <hf_jai@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3cc0ffef.18664932@news.sff.net...
> Hi folks.
>
> Just thought I'd post the following, harking back to some very old
> conversations we've had here, and back on the Prodigy boards. Found
> the following at http://www.msnbc.com/news/740672.asp, an article
> about how Al Qaida used computer technology.
>
> " For example, al-Qaida couriers deliver floppy disks or Zip disks
> with encrypted data to third parties, who in turn take it to a cell
> planning a attack. The data are scrambled by common commercial
> encryption programs like PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), which can be
> downloaded for free, and then transferred to the disks. "
>
> Ok, ok, so I know you can't put a genie back in its bottle, but didn't
> I say this would happen?
Well, people were delivering encrypted messages LONG before there was
computer technology. Also, the government can defeat PGP. In that respect
the encrypted messages of which you write might as well have been written
on paper.
--
Bill Dennis
http://peoriatimesobserver.com
http://billdennis.net
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Article 21010
From: David McLean"
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:32:35 -0600
Subject: Re: Help with Laptop
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
We just had the same thing happen and we were fortunate to have an IT
specialist around. The laptop was on and worked for a while and
then....poof.
He explained that the pop evaporated leaving sugar crystals that remained
conductors shorting the keyboard (the owner had shaken out the liquid that
should have been a better conductor, but hey, I just watched in awe). The
guys popped the keyboard and started cleaning with a waterless electronics
cleaner in an aerosol spray can. THey went through about fifteen Q-tips too.
Fifteen munutes later it was back up a working.
My advice - Find an IT guy or small computer store that has dealt with this
before. Cut 'em loose, pay the toll and pray. You may get lucky.
Best
David McLean
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message news:3cbf1c59.0@news.sff.net...
> I have a major problem, and I am hoping someone can help me with it
quickly.
>
> A friend of mine left his laptop with me. To keep it safe, I kept it in
> its box on a shelf by itself.
>
> A few days ago, a cup of pop on a different piece of furnture got knocked
> directly onto the box. If the laptop had been exposed, the liquid would
> probably have flowed away. Instead, it poured into the box, putting the
> laptop in a pool of coke and ice.
>
> Does anybody know anything about repairing laptop spills? I have replaced
> drives and such, but don't know much about handling spills. Under the
circumstances,
> he's willing to let me try, since I can't do much more harm.
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 21011
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:13:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Mara Progress Report
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:44:34 -0400, Bill Dauphin
<dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>Gee, I hope the story behind that comment is not too sad. My thoughts are with
>you, if you need 'em. As for meeting people on the Onco floor... well, we all
>know what a wise author once said about shared pain. ;^)
<snip>
>-JovBill
Bill: My wife SueEllen has been fighting breast cancer for over
22 months now. It had already spread to her spine and hip when
first detected.
Recently her oncologist gave up on us and Sue flew to her parents
home in Arlington, Texas for a second medical opinion. she has been
hospitalized since her first meeting with the oncologist down there
on April 4th. As she said to me: bad news/good news: it has spread
to liver and brain, but this doctor is willing to treat her; giving
us hope that the Fox Chase doctor took away from us.
Her kidneys are nearly ruined from one of the previous chemo's.
The team of doctors have had to balance their treatments to work on
all the areas that need attention.
I am praying most often for her recovery.
Thank you for you thoughts; you and Mara have my heartfelt wish for
Mara's total recovery.
Previous to this only JT, `rita and Doc have know of this.
Ed J
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